Thank you for saying this. I’m so tired of them gaslighting every conversation pretending like they aren’t bottom feeders crawling out of the sewers every election cycle.
Anarchists prefer to not waste time by putting so much fucking energy into electoral politics. Vote, if you want (I’m not your Boss), but don’t spend sooo much time into electoralism.
It’s a small amount of energy to materially affect the environment in which you expend real energy on your praxis of choice. If you’re not enthusiastically voting at least lesser evil, you’re hamstringing your own praxis.
I’m confused as to what other people do with their time and money has to do with you. Your statement was that anarchists don’t want to spend the energy engaging with electorialism, other people engaging with it to the point of canvassing and donations doesn’t force you to. All you have to do is vote, and recommend others vote if it comes up.
Your comment about anarchists and electorialism was a response to a comment saying anarchists prefer the center right party over the far right party. No one said anything about anarchists canvassing and fundraising for the center right party.
Your criticisms of canvassing and fundraising, while not entirely untrue, are absolutely irrelevant to to topic at hand. When you’re having a discussion, you keep your comments relevant to the topic of discussion. That’s like… the basics of conversation.
Look, I’m already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I’m not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it’s already fucking here.
It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.
Who said I was giving up? That’s what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I’m not apathetic at all, I’m fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems’ - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.
Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you’ll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you’ll blame democrats.
Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response “please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win” is to criticism of the opposition candidate.
Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it’s infuriating doesn’t make it false.
I’m going to be scrolling memes and shitposting either way because it’s how I relax. I think my fun should be socially conscious instead of only being about me. I should spend time doing good for others if it costs nothing.
Well that’s true. It’s just that anarchists prefer the centrist party over the openly fascist party, because we don’t want to live in a fourth reich.
Correctimundo!
I’ve been told the true leftists would rather live under fascism dejure then compromise their morals by lending any support to the democrats.
Yep, the Russian trolls sure are saying that a lot
Thank you for saying this. I’m so tired of them gaslighting every conversation pretending like they aren’t bottom feeders crawling out of the sewers every election cycle.
“No true Scotsman…”
Anarchists prefer to not waste time by putting so much fucking energy into electoral politics. Vote, if you want (I’m not your Boss), but don’t spend sooo much time into electoralism.
It’s a small amount of energy to materially affect the environment in which you expend real energy on your praxis of choice. If you’re not enthusiastically voting at least lesser evil, you’re hamstringing your own praxis.
don’t tell me what to do
I didn’t, just described the consequences
I’m not talking about the act of voting itself. I’m talking about discussions, canvassing and campaigning for some lesser evil candidate.
Why? You’re the only one taking about that. I’m talking about the act of voting itself.
Just because you don’t want to see all that excess energy doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
Edit: here’s an example of all that fucking wasted energy
I’m confused as to what other people do with their time and money has to do with you. Your statement was that anarchists don’t want to spend the energy engaging with electorialism, other people engaging with it to the point of canvassing and donations doesn’t force you to. All you have to do is vote, and recommend others vote if it comes up.
I can be critical of what other people do. That’s like… the basics of systemic societal critique.
Your criticisms are non sequiturs.
Your comment about anarchists and electorialism was a response to a comment saying anarchists prefer the center right party over the far right party. No one said anything about anarchists canvassing and fundraising for the center right party.
Your criticisms of canvassing and fundraising, while not entirely untrue, are absolutely irrelevant to to topic at hand. When you’re having a discussion, you keep your comments relevant to the topic of discussion. That’s like… the basics of conversation.
WTF does my enthusiasm or lack thereof have to do with it.
Enthusiasm encourages others to follow suit.
Look, I’m already gritting my teeth and doing what needs to be done to keep Trump out of office and now liberals want to loudly complain that I’m not enthusiastic enough about it. If anything short of enthusiastic support for another corporate dem will lead us into fascism, then it’s already fucking here.
It literally is already fucking here and we need to stop it from getting more power. It has already taken over part of the government. You throwing up your hands and giving up is not helping this fight.
Who said I was giving up? That’s what has me so frustrated. Expressing even the slightest criticism of Kamala has an army of liberals chastising me for contributing to voter apathy and telling me to be more enthusiastic. I’m not apathetic at all, I’m fired up, sick of this shit, and will never stop demanding more of the people who claim to be protecting us from the fascists. If the US falls to the christofascists it will be the dems’ - and all the liberals who uncritically support them - faults and not mine.
Holy victim blaming. You really spent that whole paragraph describing shit things Republicans are doing and want to do, and then ended it by saying you’ll fight Democrats and if the shitty things happen you’ll blame democrats.
Dude, think about what you’re saying here.
Reread my comment again, it’s only 2 sentences. No one’s “loudly complaining”.
Sorry to release my frustrations entirely on you, you are but one voice in a cacophony. I only mean to point out how infuriating a response “please show more enthusiasm or the christofascists might win” is to criticism of the opposition candidate.
Well, leftist apathy does make a christofascist win more likely. Criticizing the lesser evil right before an election does increase leftist apathy. Just because it’s infuriating doesn’t make it false.
As if the mere act of voting is the only energy being put into electoralism.
I’m going to be scrolling memes and shitposting either way because it’s how I relax. I think my fun should be socially conscious instead of only being about me. I should spend time doing good for others if it costs nothing.