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    “There is a strong sense by many in the Democrat Party - namely Barack Hussein Obama - that Kamala Harris is a Marxist fraud who cannot beat President Trump, and they are still holding out for someone ‘better.’ Therefore, it would be inappropriate to schedule things with Harris because Democrats very well could still change their minds,” the statement said.

    This is a statement from a presidential campaign.

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      The quote should be put with spoiler tags and a surgeon general’s warning that reading the contents has been shown to lower your IQ by at least four percentage points, and prolonged exposure to even seeing the words on the screen could cause permanent brain damage.

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        It’s okay I already have permanent brain damage, I can translate for everyone.

        It says,

        Donald Trump is tired of changing his pants every time someone mentions debating Harris, so we respectfully decline.

        Thank you,

        Your future inmate president.

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          Implying Trump changes when he shits himself is far too generous. People literally say he smells of shit.

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        Little late now, now all I want is a truck at 37%, Trump president and strangely threatened by accomplished women.

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        Yeah it says “remember that old racist dog whistle we used to use with the previous minority president? Let’s try that again, but throw in a little McCarthyism.”

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      am I reading this right? Republicans are saying that Obama thinks Kamala Harris is too Marxist to beat Trump?

      what, and I cannot stress this enough:

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        What if she started roasting things. Completely breaking down the things they say in front of a whiteboard. I want that to be her entire campaign just… Letting them talk and then talk about it

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        Because what it says literally doesn’t matter, it’s just a perfectly crafted stew of buzzwords to stroke the right. We have to stop reading this shit as normal language and start understanding the code they use. It’s just about saying Obama, in their eyes an evil black muslim terrorist (hence HUSSEIN), still holds sway over the democrats, meaning the institution as a whole is infected with his evil muslim blackness, and is acknowledging Marxism, the big bad enemy of good Christian values, in a way that simultaneously aligns it with party ideology AND presents Kamala as an even-greater looming threat. This isn’t nonsense word salad, it’s meticulously crafted fearmongering to the ignorant party base whose lack of literacy they have cultivated by design.

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      Their campaign is literally saying shit that I would normally expect to hear from the mouths of 3rd world dictators. The GOP is now conspiracy theory bullshit from stem to stern.

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      It’s wild how frequently they just… make shit up and say it like it’s factual.

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        Yeah I was just trying to imagine living that way, so bizarre… Nothing is concrete and reality can be anything.

        Well, not anything… Only the things that the fake billionaire reality TV personality (who was unironically the basis for every movie and cartoon villain throughout the 90s), tells me. Because that’s a totally rational way to behave.

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      I said this in deeper reply, but I think it bears repeating, so I’m quoting myself here:

      Because what it says literally doesn’t matter, it’s just a perfectly crafted stew of buzzwords to stroke the right. We have to stop reading this shit as normal language and start understanding the code they use. It’s just about saying Obama, in their eyes an evil black muslim terrorist (hence HUSSEIN), still holds sway over the democrats, meaning the institution as a whole is infected with his evil muslim blackness, and is acknowledging Marxism, the big bad enemy of good Christian values, in a way that simultaneously aligns it with party ideology AND presents Kamala as an even-greater looming threat. This isn’t nonsense word salad, it’s meticulously crafted fearmongering to the ignorant party base whose lack of literacy they have cultivated by design.

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        I made a similar comment above.

        You missed the attempt at a subtle dig at the Democratic party by calling them “the Democrat party” (https://www.factcheck.org/2007/12/the-democratic-or-democrat-party/ )

        They love to see shit like this because when they see those (fucking stupid) terms used, they get to feel like they have some kind of secret, inside knowledge. For a brief moment, they get to forget that they’ve alienated all of their friends and their entire family over this, and get to feel like they’re part of something.

        But only for a brief moment… As a single tear drops into his Healthy Choice frozen microwave dinner and he turns on Duck Dynasty.

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      It’s not even a good excuse because even if they did change their minds, he could still attempt to debate whoever it is on the scheduled date.

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      “there are many” - continues to name one.

      Yeah yeah sorry! I know I tried to search for logic in a statement from that guy…!

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      Interesting that they are still today apparently served by mentioning Obama’s middle name.

      Whenever I see Obama referred to by his full name, I instantly know that the author is pushing manipulative islamaphobic dog-whistle propaganda and everything else by such authors automatically has zero credibility, lacks substance, and the drivel is a waste of time to finish reading. I wonder if that manipulation attempt is still largely unknown, or if the rt-wing nut jobs are really just out of touch with the pursuadables they are trying to reach and thus shooting themselves in the foot.

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    Brave Sir Donald ran away.

    Bravely ran away away.

    When danger reared it’s ugly head,

    He bravely turned his tail and fled.

    Yes, brave Sir Donald turned about

    And gallantly he chickened out.

    Gingerly taking to his feet,

    He beat a very brave retreat.

    Bravest of the brave, Sir Donald!

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    If it was any other, normal country, the debate schedule would not be based on whether someone wants to show up or not.

    If a canditate doesn’t show up, the other candidate gets to talk about their campaign.

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      The US is bizarro world in so many aspects. Political Supreme Court appointees that are appointed for life (!), two party system, the electoral college, the absurdly long election cycles…

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        The fact that the first lady does speeches and the presidents family is in the spotlight at all. (Rather dynastic for a democracy)

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          Come on now we can’t have the poors voting now can we??

          How are we supposed to keep our stranglehold on wealth the country if we allowed the poors to have their say!?

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        Political Supreme Court appointees that are appointed for life (!),

        Judges are appointed for life, so they can be impartial and don’t need to worry about who won’t hire them after their term ends if they made unfavorable decisions.

        the absurdly long election cycles…

        4 years is absurdly long to you? Getting things done in politics takes time. How long should the cycle be in your opinion?

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          The “political” before “Supreme Court apointees” implies a lack of impartiality.

          “Election cycle” and “term of office” aren’t synonymous.

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          Judges are appointed for life, so they can be impartial and don’t need to worry about who won’t hire them after their term ends if they made unfavorable decisions.

          Brother I’m not talking about letting the new president fire them at will, I’m talking about term limits and retirement ages.

          4 years is absurdly long to you?

          This one is maybe on me since my word choice was possibly ambiguous, but I was referring to the campaign cycle - not the length of the term.

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            Ok, then we agree on all points except term limits for judges. Forced retirement is fine by me, but yanking them out of office before they retire has the drawback I mentioned before.

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          The US supreme court judges are appointed by politicians: They are political appointees. In a lot of other countries supreme court judges are selected by a non-political committee, like every other non-political appointee.

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            In a lot of other countries supreme court judges are selected by a non-political committee

            My worldwide knowledge of this is limited. In Germany, each of the two ‘houses’ of parliament (Bundestag and Bundesrat) elect one half of the ‘Supreme Court’’s (Bundesverfassungsgericht) members (judges and other staff).

            Article 94 of the constitution. (Translated)

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      In a normal country an insurrectionist and rapist would not be a candidate, let alone in the top two. We are already well beyond rational thinking about any of this.

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    Well he’s not wrong, in the end. Televising the brutal beating of a handicapped old man would be pretty inappropriate.

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    Hold the debate anyway. Have Kamala appear next to an empty chair.

    Moderator: giving Trump a couple more minutes to appear.

    (~5 min later)

    Moderator: Trump is a no show. Hmm… he originally eagerly agreed to this September debate with Biden. It’s unclear why the change of heart, but I have to say he forfeits by default.

    Kamala (interrupts): Hold on, please call Trump’s probation officer to verify his attendance permission while we wait a few more min. He’s understandably a bit skiddish with prosecutors lately but I would like to yield some of my time & do him this courtesy since he donated to my campaign in 2011 & 2013.

    (~5 min later)

    Moderator: no go, but would you like to answer the questions next to an empty chair to have your answers heard anyway?

    Kamala: yes, this way he can take all the time he needs to prepare a scripted response later given his cognitive challenges….

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        NY Times is a closed website. Paywalled or something? I could not reach it from Tor at least not with my browser. Could be a popup-blocker blocker, not sure. Anyway, the link I gave is a NY Times front-end that is openly accessible, though clearnet users might have to append a .cab or something. There are probably NY Times FEs on clearnet but I don’t know of any ATM.

        (edit) actually I think that’s NY Times official onion server. Anyway, for whatever reason it has better accessibility than the clearnet version.

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      I never thought there was the slightest chance of him ever actually debating her, but I am astonished by how lazy and flimsy their pretext is for backing out.

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      The only people who didn’t take that bet were ones who didn’t see the point of putting money on 1:1.01 odds.

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    If your platform and policy are good, you can debate anyone at any time. If your platform is just “other guy bad” then you’re gonna have a hard time.

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    Yes, it would be inappropriate for Harris to fight a battle of wits against an unarmed man.

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      I don’t know if you know this, but Trump’s uncle was a professor at MIT. Just a random piece of information that bares no change to your completely factual and valid statement.