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The neat part about voting is that even if you do it you can get fascism if the rest of the country are a bunch of fucking idiots.
There is nothing more cringe than seeing americans debating wheter they’re fascist or not due to X or Y politician rhetoric when they have been dropping bombs abroad for their entire existence.
The absolute highest priority in American politics should be getting rid of the 2 party system. I’m not going to pretend to know how exactly, but I think a good step in the right direction would be some form of a ranked voting system.
I keep saying this: if Democrats want me to vote for them, they need to run better candidates that represent my interests.
Why does ‘falling in line’ always have to be a one-way street? It’s always the progressives’ fault, never the centrists or neoliberals.
That’s by design, because progressives actually want to reduce the disparity in wealth. The left is filled of greedy, entitled consumerists just like the right. It’s why they want to squabble over the culture war while ignoring the class war.
Here is an example of a successful third party in a 2 party FPTP voting system that people keep insisting is impossible in the US because “muh RCV required”
I try to remind people that we have no “Leftist” party or even a “Centre left” party anymore. We have Center right and far right now.
The Democrats suck but there’s a huge difference between voting for boring corporatists and 100% concentrated evil. Don’t make me tap the chart.
Before you reply to me directly please understand:
- The US overthrew democracy in the country I am from
- The US installed a fascist king with secret police that terrorized my family
- Once kicked out the US supported a dictator in the neighboring country where the other half of my family lived
- The US funded both sides of a war between my country and the neighboring one that led to mass civilian deaths, one side directly by giving a dictator weapons and cash and the other side clandestinely thru laundering money by selling drugs in Latin America
- Once they lost that war turned on the dictator in the neighboring country and invented reasons to illegally invade. Twice
- Toppled the regime and left a power vacuum that consumed all my family that lived there for literally hundreds of years.
- Created material conditions in the country my family is from that forced them to leave or die
You Americans are not the good guys, your country and government is evil to its core.
As said by a wise man, a silent majority does not exist in policy.
Democrats spent their entire life understanding what FPTP is and their entire political understanding hangs on explaining it to other people any time Democrats get criticized.
You had a choice OP
- Vote to maintain a bad status quo
- Vote to make things a billion times worse via fascism
- Start a revolution
Instead you chose secret option d. Make ‘both sides equally bad’ memes to justify the acceptance of fascism.
Always vote against the fascist. Or revolt.
Who took away our option to vote to make things better?
Oh yeah, the consumerist scumbags who kept voting against Bernie in the primaries.
If they’re mad now, I’m happy. I would’ve been mad at either outcome, but now the people who took away the good option can be upset too.
Start running better candidates, guys! It’s not that hard if you’re not a greedy scumbag piece of shit or a useful idiot!
(it turns out, neo-liberals are greedy scumbag pieces of shit)
Start a revolution
Why do people keep smugly citing this as the third option when there are a million better options before outright rebellion?
As if any rights or liberties we’ve won as a working class have ever come from anything other than violent opposition and disruption.
The economic system in the US guarantees fascism, the rules are made up and votes are don’t matter.
I didn’t vote because I’m not American. They should revolt that is the only answer.
All 3 points are wrong. 1 There is no status quo, they have demonstrably both gone further right. Which brings me to 2 2 There is only fascism and fascism-light. Genocide Joe also built the wall, deported massively more people:
Bombed civilians in Yemen and displaced half a million people there for his genocidal proxy.
And many mor scummy thing.
3 They will never have a revolution, only placate Trump and move even further to the right to win back some votes.
And people will take it, americans are pacified and harmless, some lame protests are not ‘revolution’.
Gullible AF as shown by the massive upvotes you get from the many libs here.
They will all be hearded back into the status quo sytem by Bernie or AOC the new sheepdog puppy in training to prevent revolution or a valid 3rd party.Sad that even a non-american as yourself, not confined to thinking inside the box can be this wrong.
The other side of the uniparty thinks like you and is refusing to admit their wrongs, how bad do you have to be to not be an alternative to fascists? All of them get what they deserve.You supported a genocide.
Really? You’re assuming of course that I’m am American citizen, which I’m not, or didn’t attend numerous protests to support Palestinians in the country I do live in, which I did.
The whole world is not the USA.
So did you.
I wanted to not be genocided
Vote to make things a billion times worse
Your daily reminder that blueMAGA liberals don’t consider Palestinians human
(I’m also curious how they determined op is an American eligible voter in a swing state)
You can always count on @[email protected] to get most rabbid libs stirred up and face their own contradictions (without taking away any insights from the posts themselves anyway lol)…
Literally every post that just puts the quiet part loud upsets them, lol. Please keep it up, love to see it.
Oh look, yet another post where traitors and cowards try to convince people not to vote
Imagine saying “traitor” to the USA like it’s a bad thing.
Traitors to whom? The genocidal yanknazi empire?
Demand politicians worth your vote
America deserves fascism until I get my unicorn!
Glad I’m expendable in the meantime
Yeah, only foreigners are supposed to be expendable!
This has to be the most brain dead community on Lemmy, still pulling this “Both sides” bullshit
I don’t know on which community we currently are, but this is the most accurate depiction of what’s actually going on. Democrats serve the corporate elite and don’t really bother turning it left.
You aren’t wrong in that the democrats prefer the status quo but it’s far from both sides being the same. If we have to pick a side, and if we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it. For example, Ranked choice voting would be great, but let’s get more states to use it before expecting the highest office in the land to adopt it.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
The democrats are only in power for at most two years, and that’s assuming there’s no quislings like Lieberman or Fetterman or Manchin or Sinema in them. So they’ve barely got enough votes to move the needle on anything, and voting is low on the priority list.
And after two years the Republicans win one or both houses of Congress and maybe the presidency, and then undo everything.
This has been repeating my entire life, and now it’s getting to the fascist endgame.
The system itself is broken and failing. It’s not going to help us.
Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
What if Democrats not only don’t change the rules to improve the democratic process, but they also fail to even talk about significantly improving their constituents’ lives? What if they also can’t be bothered to take climate change seriously? And what if – after all that – they do genocide?
I used to think like you do, but at some point in the last decade or two Democrats stopped being a worthwhile option. The party will have to be either radically changed or smashed in order for any major progress to happen anytime soon.
we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
Western “democracy” in a nutshell. Catch-22 could only dream of such absurdity.
Stop with this braindead serve the elites meme. Dems last admin passed tons of left wing legislation that benefited everyone.
All those left wing policies being implemented like:
them billions to israel surely benefited everyone
Intersting, I do not remember any means of production being turned over to the workers? I dont remember a law passed to remove the scehdual F capabilities, I do not remember stuffing the supreme court in retaliation for Roe being overturned. Heck I do not even remember stufing the Postal board of governors so full that it would fire DeJoy and ensure a reasonable PMG for over a decade… Please enlighten me, what left wing actions must I look at
…such as?
8 billions to israel! oh wait that is neither “leftwing” nor it benefits anyone but zionists
Genocide apologist
Nope
The most braindead instance is still .world. It’s basically reddit in a nutshell
Look at this guy, believing there’s actually 2 sides
You might not have noticed but 90% of these posts come from the same user
Welcome to .ml, you’ll get the jokes now.
