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Vegeta@lemmy.ca to memes@lemmy.world · 1 month ago

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Vegeta@lemmy.ca to memes@lemmy.world · 1 month ago
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    Basically, .ml Tankies (I don’t consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they’re a .ml users) are authoritarian bootlickers “communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”

    So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)

    Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.

    .ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester

    You can check out [email protected] if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I’ve linked here is but a mere sampling of what’s been collected there

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      ^ This is the most accurate explanation. I was on .ml for quite a while before I realized the pattern that any time I criticized Russian attacks or war crimes, I got downvoted and brigaded. Any time I promoted Ukraines right to defend itself I got downvoted and brigaded. Often my posts were removed. Try to mention tienamen square there ;-). They will come troll threads on other instances from time to time too. I just block them these days and refuse to subscribe to any .ml communities.

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      There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are “tankie propaganda”.

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        Me: Brings receipts

        Tankies: “Yea…bu…but… well ACkShuLly it’s just because of your HaTREd as a result of you being fed WeStERn PrOPaGAnDa, so it’s all INVALID! FAKE NEWS!!”

        Thanks for the tag!

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          haha look at them bringing their alts to downvote you keep doing good work!

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          Your “receipts” include two screenshots of one guy posting links to news sites who wasn’t even from said instance and it had negative vote score. The other is a mod action with 0 context. How you possibly think that represents any popular opinion astounds me.

          How do I get your level of entirely unearned self-confidence?

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            LMAO somebody’s not paying attention, there’s PLENTY of posts in there, all with screenshots with links to threads AND the modlog to complete the context. What I directly linked was but a mere sampling, here:

            From censorship, bans and bias towards their “in crowd”:

            https://lemmy.world/post/27674360

            https://lemmy.world/post/27674117

            https://lemmy.world/post/27673934

            https://lemmy.world/post/27673724

            https://lemmy.world/post/27577337

            https://lemmy.world/post/27378634

            https://lemmy.world/post/27346630

            https://lemmy.world/post/27341283

            https://lemmy.world/post/27288224

            https://lemmy.world/post/27156418

            https://lemmy.world/post/27054157

            https://lemmy.world/post/27008261

            To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:

            https://lemmy.world/post/27428838

            https://lemmy.world/post/27416097

            https://lemmy.world/post/27314050

            https://lemmy.world/post/27288953

            That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” https://lemmy.world/post/27012640

            To general hostility to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

            To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

            To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447

            • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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              Rekt

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            You’re either just straight up lying or you didn’t even check the receipts lol. That’s not even close to what was linked in the original comment.

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      More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn’t a fascist fuckup of a government.

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        LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots

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      New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.

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        Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the “Banderists” or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?

        I have lots of documented evidence on [email protected] to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where’s yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied

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          That’s not true. You’ve openly admitted you only accept corporate or western government sources. The same ones pushing the propaganda you like.

          And if it’s an outlet that challenges your narrative, you say it’s not a legitimate source. So it’s this endless feedback loop of trying to prove CIA narratives with you pointing to either the government story, or the news laundering it, with this self-reinforcing nonsense.

          No amount of linking to accounts from journalists on the ground or involved in negotiations, or CIA documents revealing hoaxes, has ever budged you an inch or convinced you to question your worldview. Evidence doesn’t work on astroturfers.

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            Ah yes, the classic CIA this and CIA that, sorry if I don’t accept randosblog.blogspot.com or totallyalegitjournalist.substack.com anybody can start a blog and say whatever they want

            How can one accept what you say when you glorify dictators, openly handwaved away “reeducation” camps, caught editing headlines to subtlety push aganda and allow known propaganda outlets and when someone says something about it, they’re censored. Hell you guys even deny Taiwan as being a country and everyone against you is just some form of paid agent

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              Jeffrey Sachs isn’t ‘just some rando blogger.’ And the State Dept and CIA have openly admitted they don’t have the evidence to back the claims you’re making (maybe you should join and share your info with them), and US documents & cables have been leaked backing China’s version of events you still deny.

              But you believe MSNBC’s version more than firsthand accounts and leaked US cables.

              Thank you for portraying the behavior I’ve accused you of directly in this thread. That’ll save people reading from having to go through your profile to see the madness.

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                I find it fascinating that at no point did you link or even mention him until now or “these leaked cables” and yet you still don’t link anything. Almost as if you’re banking on people not googling him or something and just believing you outright 🤔

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                  Not at all. I’ve linked the same cables to you before, and you dismiss them. Once I get to a stopping point at work, I’ll come back with the links and previous comments. Or they can look them up on Wikileaks themselves.

                  I would love for people to look up what Jeffrey Sachs has to say on Ukraine. The guy has been on the ground investigating, and directly involved in negotiations. He is absolutely an authority on the subject.

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