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    It said the Israeli leader was covered by immunity rules that apply to states which are not a party to the ICC. Israel is not an ICC member.

    “A state cannot be held to act in a way that is incompatible with its obligations in terms of international law with regards to immunities granted to states which are not party to the ICC,” the French statement said.

    While this technicality may be true, it still seems like there should be a mechanism to hold people accountable for genocide that they don’t have to agree to beforehand. Saying “oh we can’t arrest him for crimes against humanity because he didn’t already agree to be arrested for them should he ever commit them” is a diplomatic copout and a moral failure of the international framework.

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      It isnt even technically true. The ICC has already clarified that this does not refer to the arrests of individual heads of states, but rather seizing states assets and the like.

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      I’m sure this defense was used at Nuremberg after the second world war - unsuccessfully.

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      Oh wow, I can be immune to law if I just don’t accept the court’s rule of law?

      France really going hard with the sovcit arguments.

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      Let me play devil’s advocate: who gets to say what is a human rights violation? And I am not talking about what happens on the ground, so put your pitchforks away. I’m talking about how it is defined in international law–what happens when a country like Russia and puppets defines gay rights as a human rights violation.

      Point is, there is absolutely no way to get states to agree on any of this and if it was binding, then it is a power that can and will be abused for geopolitical points.

      I think principles of law are only enforceable at a state level. Almost by definition of sovereignty. Above the state level, there can only be treaties and geopolitics.

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        You seem to misunderstand the concept of international law.

        I’m talking about how it is defined in international law

        There are various widely adopted treaties that give specific definitions for crimes against humanity. In this case, the 1949 Geneva Conventions.

        Point is, there is absolutely no way to get states to agree on any of this

        And yet 196 states, including France and Israel, have ratified these conventions (fully or in part). 125 states, including France but not Israel, have ratified the Rome statute and thus accept the ICC jurisdiction. States agree to these treaties because of diplomacy: you get taken less seriously if you don’t ratify these.

        Of course, this system of international law breaks down when states flagrantly break it without repercussions, like Israel and France in this case.

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    “A state cannot be held to act in a way that is incompatible with its obligations in terms of international law with regards to immunities granted to states which are not party to the ICC,” the French statement said.

    Anyone want to take a guess what percentage of ICC warrants are issued for people from countries like that? I suppose, this being France, that they actually will protect some random African warlord as well.

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      What the fuck is antisemitic about arresting a genocidal maniac? “Liberal Democractic Nation” is not how I would describe that settler colonial fascist state. A bunch of fucking smug, self-righteous, land thieves is a more appropriate description. Besides, the term “Semitic” to describe Jews in Israel is inappropriate. Most of them are of European or American origin. Semitic people or Semites is a term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. Judaism is not a race, it’s a religion (i.e. a cult, or more appropriately a “death cult”).

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          He’s also just been muted by the moderators. If you look at his profile, he’s only been on Lemmy for 9 hours. Probably a bot or ex-Xitter troll.

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          The first genocide I’ve seen with a population increase.

          Murder a million, two millions born = population increase.

          You are an idiot.

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          How is 45000 dead an in increase in population? Where do you get your information from? Seriously, what are you high on right now, nothing you say makes any sense. You sound like Alex Jones.

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            According to this site there has been an increase although I’m not sure how they get their figures in a war zone that nobody is allowed in or out of (other than the IDF stormtroopers that is):

            https://worldpopulationreview.com/cities/palestine/gaza

            That said, populations do generally increase wherever there’s starvation and hardship. It’s a human instinct to survive by producing more offspring.

            The figures of those murdered by Israel is probably closer to 200,000 but we won’t know until the dust settles and Netanyahu is rightfully hanging by the neck for warcrimes.

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          Must be all the settler building contractors moving in to divvy up the land for beachfront accomodation. One thing’s for sure, the population of Israel keeps increasing because every yahoo with a yamaka wearing grandad gets instant citizenship.

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            You’re correct of course but just for the future it’s “yarmulke” in english. Yeah I know, it’s silly, but so are a lot of words.