Still no evidence from you. Also it appears you can’t read or comprehend simple statements. I said there were more issues with electric vehicles than just batteries. I didn’t say that was anything to do with reliability. Issues with vehicle ownership impact how long that vehicle lasts. Hopefully this time it will sink in. This isn’t about durability or fragility (which are also two concepts you also don’t seem to understand) of an electric motor in a hypothetical situation.

The article isn’t about reliability it is about Electric Vehicles outlasting ICE vehicles. Which is the life of the vehicle. So includes all the things I mentioned. Unless now we’re in another hypothetical world where there are no problems whatsoever over the life of the vehicle. In which case they both last forever.

Your statements about why there aren’t EV garages is complete nonsense and shows you know nothing about the actual subject.

Ah so now it’s elaboration and credible sources.

I’m already one up on this with an article from the FT about insurance costs being higher due to the increased likelihood of an electric car write off.

How about some actual evidence they’re more reliable? Other than your bizarre hypothetical arguments.

Here’s a couple just off the top of my head that I can’t be bothered to get links for.

Tied to the dealer. There’s very few independent EV garages. 95% of the time you’ll have to take the price for any repair they offer you. You can’t shop around.

Complexity. Although they often use the “one moving part” argument with all the extra infrastructure for charging etc they can have very bespoke electric parts. Which means no simple of the shelf pattern parts that are as good for much less. Dealer parts only.

Delay in these parts. There just isn’t enough of a parts infrastructure at the moment. This can even cover simple things like lights or trim.

Not enough technicians.

Yes it will but it will always be significantly cheaper to repair. Since 40% of the cost of an electric car is the battery even minor damage to those means that repair is just not viable.

Ah so you’re still talking about some hypothetical situation where EVs get used but don’t have to deal with real world driving issues.

Yes in that very specific hypothetical situation an EV may outlast an ICE. However the ICE is getting no damage either in this world. So who can say.

However Renault saying they will last longer than ICE because the batteries aren’t aging as badly as they thought is still completely untrue. Far more issues with long term EV ownership than just battery age.

When we have some 20 year plus EVs with hundreds of thousands of miles on them still driving around then maybe that will be true.

What on earth are you talking about?

Part of the car ownership and life is driving and using it.

If neither of them was driven or used then ICE still wins. What do you think happens to batteries if you let them sit and completely discharge?

So sitting in a garage unused = expressive electric brick. For ICE that’s a car that can be restored in some way

Using them on the roads and getting damage to the battery pack = a write off for an electric car. The level of damage needed to write off an ICE car is much higher. They’re much more repairable.

Yes theoretically an EV should outlast an ICE but in the real world they won’t at the moment.

This is backed by the much higher insurance costs for EVs.

That’s odd as the insurance costs for electric vehicles keep going up. A large chuck of which is the cost for repair or the likelihood of minor damage (e.g battery pack) resulting in a write off.

https://www.ft.com/content/9a353ff6-ce86-4c53-b736-a1f24fdabe80

So in a perfect world where the EV works perfectly all it’s life then they probably will.

However in a world with other drivers and faults that even Renault can’t repair in their own cars resulting in write-offs (can’t find the article on that one) then we aren’t there yet.

Not anti electric vehicles just this statement at this moment is false.

Ah nice to see Red Bull continuing their tradition of managing their drivers in the shitiest ways.

Yeah but does anyone call them that? I’d still call that kind of fine cut a paper cut.

Never heard anyone say “ow I’ve got a cardboard cut”

Are the cuts from packaging different then?

Never heard of cardboard cuts…

That’s a shame. Although living in that van all those years probably didn’t help.

I’m trying to coin the phrase distopia.

To make it clear we’re talking about this dystopia we’re living in now.

I’m also open to it meaning a world where everyone’s disses are completely on point.

Yep nice but of classic projection.

Mine keeps telling me, angrily, how angry I am. Yet I want absolutely zero to do with her and avoid her at all cost.

There’s a word missing. Should read “each sober person would have to fight off over 3 million penguins”.

Ah my old friend, the superior siege weapon.

Far too much does this now and it’s a short term win, long term loss.

Die hard fans of the material maybe enjoy it for a bit but then get sick of it. New people won’t get into it as huge chunks of it are meaningless to them.

Aren’t there noises like this in Event Horizon?

Does anyone know where Sam Neil is?

I could be wrong but I seem to remember this is one of the reasons why the baskets have a net.

You’re not allowed to do that but if the net wasn’t there then in pre-video games the refs might not be able to spot if the ball went up through the hoop.

Think they were also to stop players reaching up through the hoop to defend as well.

Some of those that work forces Are the same that burn crosses Uh!

His parents were a GP and owned a pharmacy. They just didn’t get it for him/them for whatever reason.

They certainly could have afforded it if they wanted to.

There’s a massive difference between just not having something as a child and not even being able to afford it at all.

I love these Tory twat stories where they try to relate to normal people. They’re so far off the mark it highlights just how clueless they are about real life.

Cost. I think all of the 5th generation were top loaders. On the cd audio side nice stackable separates were tray or slot. Cheap stand-alones were top.

6th was a split but then I think the perception of slot or tray loading being more prestigious moved everyone to slot/tray.

Plus I think top loaders might have been less secure. I certainly remember a number of physical mods or swap techniques that defeated top loader security very easily.

Same thing happened with videos as well. Started with manual top loaders and then moved to slot.