“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Harm reduction for who? The dems aren’t allies to anyone they pretend to be allies towards, all they care about is fundraising and protecting their corporate donors.
Those Palestinians sure don’t feel “harm reduction”. Immigrants? The dems will also throw them under the bus. Trans people? Same thing. Women? They’ve had fifty fucking years to protect abortion but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Fuck democrats and the vote blue no matter who idiots who support them. Y’all a bunch of easily manipulated fools.
Im a queer woman who “sold you out”. All of that tech that Israel’s using against the Palestinians in their genocide will be used against us next.
I don’t give a fuck. Cry about it. Being out to brunch for four years when you should of been holding the dems accountable like you all promised the left (just this time we swear we’ll push them left after they get elected!) resulted in this outcome.
OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
Sure. The goal of those bots and trolls was to smear Kamala and make it seem like she is the same choice as “get the job (genocide) done quickly” trump. There were lots of people saying “I can’t vote for Kamala because of Israel’s genocide” but I never ever heard a single fucking Republican say the same thing about trump. And now we have trump. Well done, dipshits.
Edit: You don’t know the person you’re talking to. They voted third party and it had no effect on the outcome of the election, yet you are here telling them that they share blame for the harm and death that is about to come to thousands of people at the hands of an authoritarian dictator that they did not vote for.
That is not true and it is not okay. That is straight up abusive. Direct your anger elsewhere.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.
“Well, what have you to say now, strawman I’ve been ranting about for the entire election cycle? Isn’t it odd that person I made up in my head to he mad at suddenly has nothing to say?”
The person isnt made up though. Too many people calling themselves left didnt vote because the Democratic party isnt perfect. They ruined all chances to get a better candidate in the future
No, it’s not they “aren’t perfect”. It’s that they support a fucking genocide.
I never heard a single person claim the parties were the same this election cycle, and I certainly didn’t hear anyone say they wouldn’t vote for Harris because, “the Democratic Party isn’t perfect.” I heard lots of people say things like, “I can’t vote for Harris because she’s supporting a genocide,” and while I believe they should have voted for her based upon harm reduction, I understand their perspective and I’m not going to reduce it to a false caricatures.
Harm reduction for who? The dems aren’t allies to anyone they pretend to be allies towards, all they care about is fundraising and protecting their corporate donors.
Those Palestinians sure don’t feel “harm reduction”. Immigrants? The dems will also throw them under the bus. Trans people? Same thing. Women? They’ve had fifty fucking years to protect abortion but cynically fundraised off it instead.
Fuck democrats and the vote blue no matter who idiots who support them. Y’all a bunch of easily manipulated fools.
Does it matter bro? They sold out all the women and queers in America for a country that hates women and queers. (Im lgbt i can say that)
Im a queer woman who “sold you out”. All of that tech that Israel’s using against the Palestinians in their genocide will be used against us next.
I don’t give a fuck. Cry about it. Being out to brunch for four years when you should of been holding the dems accountable like you all promised the left (just this time we swear we’ll push them left after they get elected!) resulted in this outcome.
OK, so if Harris had decided to roll back protections on the queer community, came out against gender affirming care, and started supporting, “pray the gay away,” shit, would you want straight people telling you to suck it up? Would you want them telling you that you’re a piece of shit if you don’t vote for her? That you’re stupid not to vote for her because Trump is worse? Having the emotional distance to make a cool, detached, “lesser evil,” argument is a position of privilege, and I don’t assume everyone shares it.
What are you talking about, we had Jill Stein zombies up the ass who are oddly gone missing
Why would Jill Stein voters keep talking about Jill Stein now on articles that have nothing to do with her? None of the people who voted for her swayed the election at all. It’s not like anyone here is happy Trump won – we all despise him. Third-party voters are in the same boat and doing the same thing as everyone else: figuring out how to survive or escape a country that just lost almost all its checks and balances.
Sorry, it’s true though. Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.
by definition, they weren’t
Oh FUCK OFF ALREADY with that garbage. It’s over.
Sho is. Thanks.
I’ve seen the person who posted this article, return2ozma, called a Russian troll account at least once a week since I joined Lemmy, so color me skeptical. Who knows, maybe you’re right, but if so, then you’re the instance that cried, “bot,” one too many times.
Edit: Based on the original commenters edit, I think we solved the mystery of why all the, “bots,” suddenly disappeared.
I’m not missing, not a zombie… some people cope easier with losing by pretending that antigenocide users are bots. I’m still here though amused that the Cheney-loving genocide supporters that lost still think they are morally and intellectually superior.
The goal of the bots and trolls was to amplify a false comparison, and generate infighting in the anti-trump crowd. The fact that you still exist here is proof that it was money well spent.
So you believe absent bots and trolls that people would have been unified alongside Kamala on their support and commitment to genocide?
Sure. The goal of those bots and trolls was to smear Kamala and make it seem like she is the same choice as “get the job (genocide) done quickly” trump. There were lots of people saying “I can’t vote for Kamala because of Israel’s genocide” but I never ever heard a single fucking Republican say the same thing about trump. And now we have trump. Well done, dipshits.
The blood of those Trump will kill are on your hands, not mine stranger.
Your comment is abhorrent.
Edit: You don’t know the person you’re talking to. They voted third party and it had no effect on the outcome of the election, yet you are here telling them that they share blame for the harm and death that is about to come to thousands of people at the hands of an authoritarian dictator that they did not vote for.
That is not true and it is not okay. That is straight up abusive. Direct your anger elsewhere.
My hands are clean. I didn’t support a genocide candidate. Any blood will be on the hands of the Kamala campaign for praising a war criminal and saying that she’d continue paying tax dollars to Israel to massacre innocent civilians.
“You should have worked with the murderer to kill more people instead of taking a chance calling the cops!”
I mean ACAB and all that, but damn
Ah yes the benevolent serial killer that is just expediting the ending of suffering. Kamala was just helping women and kids respawn so they could join back on Team America.
Are you fucking serious right now? None of that is even close to what I said.
Lol Gaza is going to be straight annihilated under Trump and you’ll still somehow feel righteous.
Gaza was straight up annihilated under Biden and no I don’t feel righteous because it was still my country supporting it. I am proud to not have personally voted for a candidate that feels righteous supporting those doing the enslaving and genocide though. Your argument that people should vote for the plantation owner cause the other one will own more slaves isn’t appealing and clearly wasn’t a winning strategy. If you were concerned about slaves then you would have rejected the idea of owning plantations altogether.
One life spared would be harm mitigation and therefor justification. Gaza is not a moral boolean variable
You act like Kamala’s position wasn’t a choice she made. Do you think she was under some sort of threat of death if she didn’t support genocide?
You didn’t support a genocide candidate, but you failed to prevent an outcome 100x worse. You claim to wash your hands of it, but you’re using bullshit as soap.
I didn’t fail to prevent anything. I’ve never been good at lying to myself and others by pretending that bullshit soap is high quality lavender soap. If you want me to sell lavender soap then give me lavender soap to sell.
Bingo, getting trump elected was the goal all along.
This place was rife with bots spreading Jill Stein and Claudia de La Cruz propaganda and all of them have completely vanished.
Yeah, but was it, though? Or was it full of people making legitimate criticisms of the Democratic Party only to get accused of being bots or told they thought, “both sides,” were the same? Because I know which of these two things I’ve seen more of in the last year.
Maybe they were humans who’ve realized how dumb they were and ceased posting? One can hope, anyway…
Not sure about others, but I was banned from a lot of communities for daring to speak of the inconvenient truths about Kamala. It could just be that the procensorship fascist left banned them all because they didn’t fall in line with the establishment talking points.
…What are the inconvenient truths?
Edit: Ah, I just looked at your removed comments defending Nazis and shit. Don’t care, nevermind. Don’t bother responding, I’ve already blocked you.
Yeah no you’re a liar and that is your modus operandi to claim anyone you want to silence is an antisemite Nazi supporter. I said it is illegal in the United States to beat people until they defecate. You do not get to be the judge, jury & executioner. You can’t claim to be against fascism while at the same time admitting you love the idea, just as long as it against people you don’t like. That thread devolved into people planning with details about how they would commit crimes, including advocating for murdering people, and encouraging people to do it… Some dad said they might but doesn’t want to go to jail, but who knows. Not sure why Lemmy is allowing people to promote and plan crime when it is against their ToS.