bye

please prove your claim

no, they don’t.

Every vote for a third party was a vote for Trump.

by definition, they weren’t

there is no reason to believe this person abuses animals. don’t make spurious accusations.

I think we have different values

there is no higher benefit to any living things than to pass it’s generic material to a new generation. sterilization is not in their interest, but AI is.

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. I don’t care to watch videos of live births or spaying and neutering, but that doesn’t make them bad.

it’s not cruelty. the suffering isn’t the intention, it’s just incidental.

it’s called animal husbandry

science doesn’t make moral judgement. killing can’t be scientifically “bad”

I derailed any possible discussion about “Plants feel pain” before it ever came up

it seems you strongly prefer to attack things I haven’t said than to deal with what I do say

I can’t eat corncobs or stalks. feeding it to cattle so I can eat cheese and beef is a conservation of resources

none of what you said addresses the facts that I raised. you are attacking things I didn’t say and positions I don’t hold.

Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

your dunk-brained links to Reddit are not getting clicked

the same crops that feed animals feed people. they eat fodder and industrial waste from the same fields that produce food that people eat. it’s a conservation of resources.

how do you measure crops if not by crop calories?

what I’m reading is that I’m right, and you would like to shift the discussion to land use

Universal suffrage, abolition and gay marriage didn’t just suddenly came out of thin air because corporations and governments decided to become nicer

of course not. it was people advocating for their recognition as fully human

How are the corporations and governments going to change if one person doesn’t commit the first action of doing better and inspiring others to do the same.

didn’t you already try that