There is a large gap between needing to card someone because the might be younger than 18, and someone bringing little kids. With the little kids you can point to the 18+ sign and just refuse entry.
Also we should stop acting so prudent about sex in regards to teenagers.
If the attendees are not expecting to be involved in a sexual activity and a teenager is old enough to experience sexuality, acts mature, otherwise walk around without supervision and makes their own choices to visit such panel. What harm is their really?
With actual kids there is no doubt, they stick out where they don’t belong.
I would draw the line, i would look at wether or not there is doubt, and give benefit of the doubt to whoever acts mature.
I made a very hard line when the public may become part of the act. But at that point everyone should be ID’d and over the legal age.
I am sort of saying lower the age to give consent to watch/observe public events that include sex elements, like a panel for an adult show. (Its not like teens don’t know how to use the internet, they probable have watched hazbin hotel if they are at the panel)
Actual kids, who should not be unsupervised on the internet are completely out the scope. You cannot give consent for something you don’t fully understand.
If you want to talk age of consent to fuck i am more in favor of a sliding window of acceptable within their age group. Not because they should have sex but because we should respect that teens do experience sexuality and the desire to experiment with that.
I am trying to grasp why minors having sex with other minors is deemed okay. They both cannot consent. Would this not be equal to two drunk people having sex?
This is beyond the scope of the original context but the fundamental question here would be at what point can people provide consent? Currently this depends on a legal per country basis. What constitutes “a minor” is not the same everywhere.
The psychological argument would be whether or not a person is mature enough to fully understand their actions and potential consequences and this is not the same for everyone. People develop maturity - or aspects of maturity at their own pace and at some point will demand or experiment with autonomy and freedom to make their own choices.
To deny that reality and instead use oppression/lack of sex education is counterproductive and leads to more dangerous scenarios.
Yeah, at the end of the day though you have to set realistic expectations and if you can’t round up the staff with that then you can’t have it. Trying to card check everyone coming into the room would just take too long.
Let’s be clear, opening with a dunning Kruger callout is rude. No one is an expert here, everyone is anonymous. It’s 100% unidan/jackdaw energy.
Further, I didn’t read your wall of text because nothing other than consent matters. If the performers are uncomfortable, I don’t care if they need the fuckin national guard to facilitate ID checks. I care nothing about the hurdles involved.
The whole schtick here is le redditor and I’ll stick with the simple “consent established, or leave”.
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There is a large gap between needing to card someone because the might be younger than 18, and someone bringing little kids. With the little kids you can point to the 18+ sign and just refuse entry.
Also we should stop acting so prudent about sex in regards to teenagers.
If the attendees are not expecting to be involved in a sexual activity and a teenager is old enough to experience sexuality, acts mature, otherwise walk around without supervision and makes their own choices to visit such panel. What harm is their really?
With actual kids there is no doubt, they stick out where they don’t belong.
I would draw the line, i would look at wether or not there is doubt, and give benefit of the doubt to whoever acts mature.
If the panel members are uncomfortable, it’s their choice.
They aren’t consenting to conducting adult discussion with kids around.
Not sure if age of consent argument
If you want to put it that way:
I made a very hard line when the public may become part of the act. But at that point everyone should be ID’d and over the legal age.
I am sort of saying lower the age to give consent to watch/observe public events that include sex elements, like a panel for an adult show. (Its not like teens don’t know how to use the internet, they probable have watched hazbin hotel if they are at the panel)
Actual kids, who should not be unsupervised on the internet are completely out the scope. You cannot give consent for something you don’t fully understand.
If you want to talk age of consent to fuck i am more in favor of a sliding window of acceptable within their age group. Not because they should have sex but because we should respect that teens do experience sexuality and the desire to experiment with that.
I am trying to grasp why minors having sex with other minors is deemed okay. They both cannot consent. Would this not be equal to two drunk people having sex?
This is beyond the scope of the original context but the fundamental question here would be at what point can people provide consent? Currently this depends on a legal per country basis. What constitutes “a minor” is not the same everywhere.
The psychological argument would be whether or not a person is mature enough to fully understand their actions and potential consequences and this is not the same for everyone. People develop maturity - or aspects of maturity at their own pace and at some point will demand or experiment with autonomy and freedom to make their own choices. To deny that reality and instead use oppression/lack of sex education is counterproductive and leads to more dangerous scenarios.
Wait, you think they care if the teenagers get in? We’re talking about the elementary school kids.
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Yeah, at the end of the day though you have to set realistic expectations and if you can’t round up the staff with that then you can’t have it. Trying to card check everyone coming into the room would just take too long.
You can card everyone. You’re already carding their ticket.
Just state at purchase you must be X to enter.
And at the door.
Then when people enter: “ID and ticket please!”
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Lol what the fuck this is the most “well actually” I’ve ever seen.
Consent trumps all. If the performers are uncomfortable, it doesn’t matter how challenging the customer dynamic is.
If you hold an event, get the proper staff to keep your entertainers supported. Or don’t do it.
Concerts ID people all the time. The staff are available. Don’t act like this is some yet unheard-of Herculean task.
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Let’s be clear, opening with a dunning Kruger callout is rude. No one is an expert here, everyone is anonymous. It’s 100% unidan/jackdaw energy.
Further, I didn’t read your wall of text because nothing other than consent matters. If the performers are uncomfortable, I don’t care if they need the fuckin national guard to facilitate ID checks. I care nothing about the hurdles involved.
The whole schtick here is le redditor and I’ll stick with the simple “consent established, or leave”.
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As I said, you started with DK. How are you surprised I didn’t read further, and am unfriendly?
My point centered on consent, and someone sent me a dismissive opening on a long message. What’s to be done? Discard it.
Edit ZERO concerns are worth discussing if the consent of participants can’t be achieved.
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Most conventions aren’t doing a ticket check at each panel.
So? Then do it at the entrance
So you want the entire convention to be 18 plus?
No.