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The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday ruled against a law banning “conversion therapy” for LGBTQ+ kids in Colorado, one of about two dozen states that ban the discredited practice.
An 8-1 high court majority sided with a Christian counselor who argues the law banning talk therapy violates the First Amendment. The justices agreed that the law raises free speech concerns and sent it back to a lower court to decide if it meets a legal standard that few laws pass.
Justice Neil Gorsuch, writing for the court, said the law “censors speech based on viewpoint.” The First Amendment, he wrote, “stands as a shield against any effort to enforce orthodoxy in thought or speech in this country.”
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Child abuse is not free speech.
Apparently some people pay for that which is awful.
Yup. Also see: troubled teen industry
Most parents knew what went on in these places, perhaps not to the fullest extent but at the very minimum abusive tactics commonly referred to as ‘tough love’ or being ‘scared straight’. And when kids complained or reported abuse, it was double-down time because it was seen as evidence of it working.
That shit is totally evil, our society is sick for allowing it. Those camps need to be shit down and the parents who paid for them prosecuted
Agreed! Can we start with my mom? She used a chunk of my brother’s college fund to pay for him to provide unpaid labor and be subject to abuse and neglect in Mexico for months.
Not party line. 8:1. Two “opposing” justices agreed.
Jackson was the sole dissenter.
This is yet another brick in the wall for “the Supreme Court has become a core part of the problem”.
I don’t really get how two of the liberal justices concurred with this. Therapy is a licensed profession, and as with all licensed professions, it comes with restrictions, including on the things that can be said while providing licensed services.
The counselor can spend all day telling people they should convert to the one true faith of the orange monster. She is just not allowed to tell kids they are better off not being themselves when she is professionally counseling them.
I would argue that if Colorado (or any jurisdiction) did not ban a practice known to be harmful, it would be liable for the consequences, too. It would be like the FDA knowing that vaccine save lives and deciding to discourage their use. Oh, wait, I forgot we are in this timeline…
In short, beautiful lemmings, be brave, be bold, be gay, be trans, just don’t forget to be current on your vaxxes. Every time a lemming gets a jab, there is one more clot forming in the arteries of the one that shall not be named!
Gross.
This is the same sort of ruling that would argue you can’t ban false advertising. How long before some homeopath sues the FTC and FDA for stopping them from claiming health benefits? Won’t be long now till we get new fabulous snake oil cancer cures because the first amendment protects quacks from lying (so long as they “sincerely believe” the lie).
Not anywhere remotely similar, just something I was reminded of. Unilever sued Hampton Creek for selling a sandwich spread they called “mayo”. I don’t know the result of the lawsuit but it came down to some obscure FDA rule saying mayonnaise must contain egg. The Hampton Creek product did not. https://apnews.com/article/-----e836f82fe258403a9d4b39a118d21793
So the first amendment gives the right to infringe on the freedom of others?
As long as those others are from groups demonized by the GOP (and it’s a long list), yes.
Therapy is not thought or speech, it is treatment. If a treatment is not effective or even makes the patient less healthy, or abuses them, we stop that treatment. Nothing to do with free speech, because we don’t treat based on ideology, we treat based on prior results that we recorded and retested.
If 8 of those judges thought differently, lets make it 3-2 because the other half is bought and paid for anyway, that this is somehow shielding FROM orthodoxy instead of shield orthodoxy itself, they are just completely empty on the inside, no empathy, no humanity, no conscience. Only power fills their hart, meets their needs. fucking disgusting.
Conversion therapy is abuse, plain and simple. 8 supreme court judges voted for abuse. game over. just like last week, just like last month, and just like last year in the divided states of south canada.
The main reason the more liberal justices joined in on this is that the law was badly written.
Conversion therapy needs to be banned, but the how of the ban matters.
“the 1st amendment is a shield against orthodoxy of thought, that’s why we’re using it to justify the enforcement of orthodox thought”
so the victims should also have a first amendment right to not be forced by their parents into a religiously-based program.
It’s even more shocking she’s still licensed. She’s using her credentials to legitimize a practice her board absolutely wouldn’t support.
Don’t you know? Torturing children is a form of speech. Just like corporate funds! /s
Does this mean I can make Conversion Therapy Camps to talk to MAGAs about how stupid they are?
It does!
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Keep in mind we have vague laws against “obscenity” prevent people from saying “shit” and “removed” on TV, but we can’t create laws regulating the verbal abuse of children?
When Dems keep telling me that they’re not “2 sides of the same coin” with Republicans 🙃
Yep, even the ones the “good guys” appointed agreed. But don’t call us Blue MAGA
We could all counter this by posting posters calling the Sups a bunch of child-eating pedophiles - on every street corner in America. After all…it’s becoming our deeply held belief, right?
I think it would infringe our 1st amendment rights if they tried to take them down
