• Sasha@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Not interested in the whole yelling at each other thing, so genuinely asking here. What exactly does not voting democrat get the left in the US? Is the OP’s assumption that you want to accelerate fascism actually correct?

    So far I haven’t seen any reason other than either accelerationism or “because it makes me feel bad” and I refuse to believe that’s all that’s behind it.

    I’m really having a hard time, and I genuinely think it’s important to try to understand the points of view and beliefs of those we disagree with, rather than immediately turning to infighting.

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      Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations. If they can’t earn votes a new party will form. It’s happened before and it will happen again. That’s why they message with fear. It’s effective at turning off any critical thinking.

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        Political parties exist in the free market just like corporations.

        Tell me more about the political free market under Project 2025.

        In fact, tell me more about how quickly firms rise and fall in the free market. It’s instantaneous, right?

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      Shifts the policies of the Democratic party so that they appeal to leftists. Not going to get into an ongoing debate, but just so you can’t say you haven’t seen any other reasons (which sounds fake to me but okay).

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        I appreciate it. I’m not here to debate you and I have no reason to lie about not having seen anything else, though I’m honestly a bit hurt that you think that, but I guess you’ve been nothing but attacked so far so perhaps it’s understandable.

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          Hey, remember when we all protest voted in 2016 and drove the Dem party SO far left?

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            Hey, remember when the Dems ran an unlikable centrist candidate as the lesser of two evils because anyone else wasn’t “electable” enough in the DNC’s view of centrist voters, and that translated into an electoral win via pinched noses in 2016? I’m really glad we got a dynastic compromise candidate that saved Democracy. That strategy worked out so well for Hillary, I can see why they’d go for it again.

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            Barely anyone protest voted lol. She got more votes from Bernie voters than Trump got from Gary Johnson voters. She lost because she didn’t appeal to specific voters in specific states, and the US has a shit democracy that she didn’t correctly strategize for.

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              Barely anyone protest voted lol.

              It was the highest 3rd party vote in, what, 20 years?

              She got more votes from Bernie voters than Trump got from Gary Johnson voters. She lost because she didn’t appeal to specific voters in specific states, and the US has a shit democracy that she didn’t correctly strategize for.

              Those things are also correct.

              My point is not “HILLARY COULD HAVE WON” it was “Pretty clearly, despite widespread discontent on the left and the resulting action of witholding votes to either not vote, write-in, or give to the Green/Libertarian Parties, the DNC did not take losing to a right-wing candidate as proof that they needed to move left in any appreciable way”.