I’m glad Kirk is gone, I’ll never not be happy about that, I think it’s objectively good. But I think it’s still important to recognise that it’s very shitty that he did end up a miserable little cunt who was better off dead.

Mostly though, I’m just worried about how celebrating death makes it seem like a virtue we’d want or accept in a new society. Revolution at a necessary cost, don’t get me wrong, but we shouldn’t celebrate the cost itself. I think it’s totally okay to celebrate the end result, “the problem of Charlie Kirk is now solved” or something lol, but the method was both objectively awful and necessary.

Murder is a tool as all violence is, but we should treat as what it is: a horrible one we’re forced to use to attain liberation and thus ultimately a form of violence inflicted upon us. After a revolution, I think it’s best left behind in this shitty fucking world we all hate.

Regardless, get fucked Kirk, good riddance and rest in piss you slimey little cunt.

Working for banks fucking sucks. I’m currently quiet quitting as hard as I can while I get my resume up to scratch, I’ll be jumping ship asap.

And you’ll lock the war criminal and murderer up too, right?

Ahaha, that’s very true Scandinavia is a mysterious place.

Yeah the comment on Cleopatra is just laughable on the face of it haha, I didn’t even think it was worth addressing.

Glad you’re stepping away there’s no point getting worked up on this. I normally wouldn’t have engaged to this degree myself, but I found that particular rebuttal to Tacitus to be so damn funny that I couldn’t not.

I suspect they’re genuine, I feel I’ve been this person in the past. Sometimes it’s hard to learn to reevaluate and be wrong about things, and religion is a pretty stigmatising issue that can leave you with a lot of unresolved and misguided anger. It’s unfortunate, but human.

The claim about Tacitus not writing on Jesus comes from one “source” in the pop culture section. That source is a fictional character in a novel (one who’s obviously portrayed as highly biased on this issue, ironically…) it gets even more embarassing when you look up what that novel is about…

There’s also this which mentions that his writings on Jesus are pretty much agreed to be authentic. The Roman empire was indeed very good at keeping records, that’s why Tacitus is considered such a reliable source…

You’re making a lot of claims about the motivations of people, with no actual evidence to show for it, and using that to dismiss them as sources. This is painfully ironic. Not everything is a Catholic conspiracy, it’s okay for the world to be nuanced.

There are non-biblical sources

No there aren’t, you just believe the bible

???

Either way, I appreciate you providing those, it’s a fascinating topic. Frankly even if Jesus was just some guy running around deceiving people into thinking he was the Messiah, he had some good lessons and that’s gotta count for something.

This is something widely accepted by secular historians, it’s widely accepted by atheists too.

Occam’s razor does not work like that. It would actually suggest that Jesus did exist, given that it requires a single person to have existed instead of requiring a mountain of very valid evidence to be a conspiracy while a whole group people, who’s entire profession revolves around determining the trustworthiness of such evidence, to suddenly all be very bad at their job on this one specific issue etc.

Well again, it doesn’t actually matter to me. I’m not trying to have a debate, I’m just saying that’s what I’ve heard and I tend to trust experts on their own fields. You can make up your own mind about what you believe, makes no difference to me.

I don’t think it’s really that big of a deal if he was a real person or not, it doesn’t say anything about the validity of religion one way or the other. Plus I don’t think it’s really that far fetched that someone could have amassed a bunch of followers and birthed a new religion. It still happens in the modern world.

Edit: I read how you’ve responded to everyone else. Take a break friend, people are just having a discussion with you, disagreing isn’t an attack.

It’s fine if you personally think the evidence isn’t reliable, but calling everyone delusional and shouting down frankly well supported arguments as fake with no way to back it up all while refusing to read and engage with them isn’t a good look. If you can legitimately explain why people are wrong, I’m sure they would appreciate the discussion and potentially learning something.

If you can’t, then I’d suggest reflecting on why this is so upsetting to you. Believe me I absolutely understand what it’s like to hate religion and to be filled with an intense desire to want it to all be wrong and evil, but that shouldn’t affect how you treat people.

I’m no expert whatsoever, because frankly it makes no difference to me, but last I heard it was accepted that Jesus the person existed.

It’s hard to find trustworthy sources when I’m being lazy and so many people are trying push very biased views, but this is something, I guess. There’s also a Wikipedia article about it, but I’m tired and it’s dry.

I deleted one once because I complained about someone by name, hoping someone else would have experience with them and could offer better advice.

I think it would have been relatively easy for them to find that post, which I didn’t want to risk given that they could cause me harm by denying their services. It wouldn’t have been hard to work out who I was given the context I provided.

Yeah, he’s just one member of the nsn in the end. I think making him NZs problem doesn’t do much realistically. He needs to face actual consequences, he’s done so much shit and keeps getting a slap on the wrist. It’s well known that he intends to keep doing awful shit, especially assaulting people…

Cops aren’t gonna dob in their own

Yesterday was absolutely fucked down here in Naarm.

Our counter protest was completely crushed by cops, the fascist rally was given space and free roam of the city. In the end, it empowered the nazis so much that they charged on camp sovereignty and seriously injured people, it was a full on war at one point, cops did nothing.

A Nazi spoke at the rally and was met with cheers. At one point they sent a group to chase after me when I was leaving the CBD. It was really disappointing to see kids in their group just projecting nothing but hate for everyone around them.

I’m still recovering physically from everything yesterday, it was easily the most intense protest I’ve been at. Absolutely unbelievable to see, but I’m honestly not surprised. This is a racist country and it always has been.

The possums even more so I’d say, especially in the cities.

I’m actually not sure I’ve ever seen a wild platypus, and I haven’t seen a wombat since I was very young, but I don’t think I’ve ever lived in an area with them. Kangaroos were everywhere growing up in the bush though, in the backyard, school car park, sharp bend around a dark corner…

Snakes on a plane, you take a drink every time there’s a snake on a plane. (I can’t remember where I’m stealing this from)

Sorry for the anger, I’m just very upset about this because I’m constantly watching people’s lives be ruined by a government that’s at best ignoring their needs, and at worst literally sending violent thugs to assault them at home. I apologise for directing it at you, but Albo isn’t someone you should support.

The Australia institute has some problems but they’re pretty much on point with this one; they’re generally accurate on facts, it’s just that sometimes have weird takes on how to handle issues.

I can’t agree he’s doing the best he can, unless you mean he’s doing well at ruining democracy and siding with corporate interests. He’s not making the changes that are needed here and now, he’s still part of a corrupt neoliberal system and hasn’t made any moves to meaningfully move beyond it.
He could help people immediately: he could stop deporting marginalised communities, he could stop the states from criminalising protest, he could stop the AFB from assaulting immigrants or VicPol from putting trans journalists in the hospital and killing Aboriginal people in custody. He could do something about climate change instead of worsening it. He could end a number of human rights violations like offshore detention and the handling of youth in the criminal justice system. He could stop doing openly corrupt things like ramping up state surveillance of while hiding behind “it’s to protect children” etc.

In the end, he’s just another shitty politician with good rhetoric.

I see. You aren’t interested in engaging with reality.

Labor has no good reason to open fossil fuel extraction projects years after we’re meant to be beyond that. The fact that you’re just deciding the story is fake is incredibly telling…

The salmon farming thing was indeed an election promise. It was also pure fucking evil, that’s my entire point. Albo sentenced an entire species to extinction for politics. How do you not see the problem here?

America does own us! Because of spineless politicians who keep bending to their will. We don’t have to be where we are now, we don’t have to keep propping up a self justifying system of death. We should never act like any of this is even slightly okay. I don’t understand how you aren’t outraged at the fact that this is all happening for nothing more than greed.

The systems you’re using to justify this aren’t actually justifications, they’re mechanisms fullfilling their intended purpose.

Yes, my entire point is obviously that we should just bend over and accept evil because someone else might be a bit worse. /s

Don’t strawman me.

You can’t go around giving people a free pass for being spineless and corrupt just because someone else is worse. That’s literally the reason the system slides further and further right. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Would I rather have Albo? Sure. Doesn’t mean he isn’t a turd who’s actively making it worse under the guise of electoral reform and it sure doesn’t mean we should accept it. Do you want a two party system? Because this is how we get one.

Why do people think criticising Labor for entirely valid reasons is a both sides are the same argument? It isn’t, it’s valid and necessary. Both sides do sometimes agree on things, but it isn’t me saying they’re the same… I never said they are the same, I never even mentioned the LNP.

Unwavering support for corrupt politicians needs to die because it actually does legitimise harm and makes corruption and incompetence seem less bad. You’re literally trying to justify corruption because they’re not the LNP.

For a start:

https://michaelwest.com.au/billions-in-israel-defence-contracts-put-australia-at-risk/

https://michaelwest.com.au/more-gas-labor-amps-it-up-past-twenty-fossil-fuel-approvals/

He doesn’t have morals. He’s another corporate boot licker with a vague excuse.