This is not a gotcha, I don’t know why people think this is a gotcha. RFK was assigned male at birth. The anti trans people are not exhibiting hypocrisy here, because their view is simply (if translated into the correct parlance): “People should not receive hormone replacement therapy that is contrary to the gender they were assigned at birth”.
It’s not a cool view of them to have, but there’s no hypocrisy there, especially not to them. So when your far right trans fearing relative says they hate HRT, and you say “but RFK!1!1!1”, don’t expect it to go anywhere, not because they’re an unreasonable jerk (although they probably are that, too) - but because it’s legitimately not a good argument, because it does not exemplify any contradiction in their beliefs.
This entire piece of news being presented this way is nothing but choir-preaching, and displays a serious misunderstanding and mischaracterization of the other side. The debate will never move anywhere if we remain too proud to understand our opponent’s arguments and instead delight in tearing down strawmen.
Sorry, no, hard disagree.
It does blatantly show that a large chunk of their stated reasons for opposing HRT (“there are no studies, we don’t know if it’s safe”, etc) are – generously – bad-faith, indefensible trash.
There’s no finding common ground with bad-faith arguments because there’s definitionally no debate there, just bigotry that you can cave to, or not. Let’s not.
because their view is simply (if translated into the correct parlance): “People should not receive hormone replacement therapy that is contrary to the gender they were assigned at birth”.
Anecdotally, I have never once heard anyone express this opinion. It’s always been hard no on any form of gender affirming care, hrt is evil, that sort of thing.
While this is CLEARLY their actual beliefs, it’s not their stated view.
Similar to “the only moral abortion is my abortion” hypocrisy.
Anecdotally, I have never once heard anyone express this opinion. It’s always been hard no on any form of gender affirming care, hrt is evil, that sort of thing.
There is no connection to them between gender affirming care and male HRT. I have yet to see anyone conceded that any ground at all on gender affirming care like hrt. They have a medical condition that needs treatment. It is not gender affirming care to them even if it is in reality. The rejection of reality allows this to be their actual beliefs.
A lot of their arguments boil down to appeals to nature. The same people who think trans kids should be forced to undergo their natal puberties have no problem altering the natural order when it comes to their own healthcare. It’s unnatural for elderly men to not have low T levels.
Hard disagree. The anti-trans crowd overlaps with the general right wing, where low T beta male removed is a common insult.
I agree that transphobic bigots do not have a consistent world view. Still, appealing to hypocrisy may have some effect, because this crowd exhibits a dichotomy where they outwardly hate people who can’t produce their own hormones “naturally” (be they trans or cis), yet themselves often seek out such products (just look at the popularity of testosterone boosting supplements).
Hrt has been a thing for a very long time and is somewhat common in age. Feel free to read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone_replacement_therapy
They very clearly are against hrt that does not match the gene expression of a person’s body.
Edit: should have linked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_replacement_therapy
Edit2: Wikipedia does not appear to call that one gender affirming care. But you gotta cut corners for humor somewhere.
Just because Wikipedia doesn’t say it’s gender affirming care doesn’t mean it isn’t.
That absolutely is a form of gender affirming care.
My comment refers to the Wikipedia article. I do not care if you call a dog a canine or a human an animal. But if you don’t I might note it as odd.
I’m not sure what you mean.
To be clear, the reason why I replied was because of the comment “But you gotta cut corners for humor somewhere.”. To me, that seems to imply that you think that RFK’s androgen replacement therapy is not actually gender affirming care and that the parallel was only drawn in the interest of humor rather than being accurate.
Fair point.
Interesting that the wiki article only covers HRT for menopause related conditions.
Read up top: for other hrt check the article that covers that one. Please note that I actually should have linked the ART article.
They very clearly are against hrt that does not match the gene expression of a person’s body
And that’s exactly what RFK is doing. He’s fundamentally altering the natural development of his own body. It’s natural for men to have lower testosterone as they age. Naturally, a 75 year old should not have as high of testosterone levels as as 25 year old man. Yet the same people who force trans kids to go through their natal puberties, citing nature, have no problem interfering with nature when trans people aren’t involved.
All those facist dudes and chicks have received gender affirming care. Tump, kegsbreath, musk, Vance, Johnston, bondi, leavitt, Krusty gnome, Janine pirro and that loomer nightmare. That’s just off the top
i’ve seen them and that’s more affirming of off-brand muppets.
Cosmetic surgeons would be far less busy if we actually banned gender affirming care for everyone, not just a tiny minority. Think of all that free time they’d have not doing tittie fixes!
Just throwing this out - I don’t think we should classify what is being done to give people Mar-a-lago face is not affirming at all…or care for that matter. Gender is up for debate.
I do feel that people don’t understand that if you are, I do not mean to be rude or disrespectful just don’t understand/know how to properly say this, that if you are born a female and are sad that your breast, butt, or any part of your body doesn’t make you feel feminine enough and changing that is gender affirming care. Or if your jaw line, hair line or any other part of your body isn’t manly enough, changing that is gender affirming care. I honk it is stupid to stop someone from looking the way they want to look. They aren’t saying I need to look that way. Hell I know people wouldn’t want to look like me and that is okay too.
Hyprocrites do tend to be the loudest.
Me too, it’s awesome
I think it is unfair to all of the other people in your Pickleball league.
