Do you have examples of progressives justifying war. I’m not even sure who these “American supremacist progressives” are…
State any opposition in this community against continued support for the proxy war in Ukraine, or say anything about being upset Democrats helped end the ban on arming Nazis so they could send weapons to Ukraine.
Then watch the flood of “progressives” that suddenly support war. And it’ll be the same arguments as the Zionists, claiming Russia started it and history began when they invaded, conveniently leaving out the years of western provocations before and broken peace agreements by Ukraine.
LoL. Love that you NAFO turds are stuck with just downvoting this one, because you know any comment you have is going to prove my point.
This is clear Russian propaganda that doesn’t deserve a response, but I’m bored so why not…
Those aren’t remotely comparable. Ukraine is in a defensive war and Isreal is in an offensive war. Progressives tend to support democracy and human rights, so I see no contradiction. Calling Ukraine nazis is tired bullshit that only gullible idiot tankies believe. I have no clue what you’re talking about with the “ban on arming nazis” or “western provocations” or any “broken peace agreements” because they have no basis in reality.
There it is!! Same rehashed Zionist arguments that it’s defensive, history starts when Russia finally fought back, refusal to acknowledge the peace agreements even existed, and blanket denial of the ideology US backed forces are fighting for.
The denial of the existence of the Minsk agreements is a new shift. Usually y’all just claim Ukraine wasn’t obligated to stick to them. Let’s see if the other nafo’s are pushing that, too.
And theres some more bullshit propaganda!
When zionost make that claim everyone knows they are lying based on the fact that they invaded Gaza. When Ukraine makes that claim, it is obviously true because they are being invaded. We have all seem Russian tactics of sending in “little green men” to instigate violence which they then use as justification for an invasion. They’ve done over and over again. Russia is a anti-democractic hell hole. I completely understand Ukraine not wanting them to take over, especially after the history you mentioned earlier… but I know Russians consider the holodomor to be a lie.
And all of the provocations and broken agreements before the invasion? Ukraine and NATO amassing troops and missiles at the border in violation of peace agreements? The soft coup led by the US installing a far-right puppet government in 2014?
You people are a joke.
This has got to be a gish-gallop. I’ve never heard of any of this. 2014 was after Russia already invaded. And the only peace agreements I’m aware of is the one where Ukraine gave up their nukes for a agreement that Russia would never invade them, and that the US would support Ukraine if they did.
So you claim to be well informed on this topic, but haven’t heard of the Maiden Coup or the Minsk Agreements?
LMAO
“I’m admit that I’m totally ignorant of the topic on hand, but I’m still going to insist that my uninformed opinion is the correct one.”
So at this point you’re just claiming ignorance?
This has got to be a gish-gallop. I’ve never heard of any of this.
Loool
Holy shit is this ml? Rusbots all over this thread.
Edit: shit, yeah, it’s ml. Gross.
I agree that most people ignore NATO and Ukrainian provocations, but that doesn’t mean that this isn’t just another spat between imperialist states. Supporting one side or another does nothing to help the working class people caught in the middle.
Don’t support either side. It’s not sports. In a fight between Euro Nazis and Russian oligarchs, it’s perfectly acceptable to oppose both.
I support the people of Ukraine who are getting attacked by Russia. Russia crossed the boarder with military force; they are clearly the aggressors.
There’s so much crossover with the Zionist hasbara and nafo Ukraine propaganda, I gotta wonder if y’all work out if the same computer farms.
Project much? Haha.
Russia attacking Ukraine is nothing like Israel attacking Gaza. But yes, they’re both evil.The main similarity between Russia attacking Ukraine and Hamas capturing hostages October 7th is that you bots insist history started that day, and nothing happened before.
It’s a cryptic dig at Graham Platner
I just love that you feigned ignorance and denied any existence of “American supremacist progressives,” and then immediately outed yourself as one the moment I questioned one of those wars. Cracking me up man.
You can make up whatever name you want for me but it doesn’t have anything to do with the actual definitions of the words. Wanting a free democratic Ukraine has nothing to do with American supremacy…
So you support removing Zelenskyy and the far-right puppet regime?
Oh, you’re one of those people.
Yeah, I do prefer the facts. And democracy.
Putting Hasan on that thumbnail as an “American supremacist progressive” is kinda wild tbh
Why? Watch the video and refute the argument if you can.
Watched the first half of the video, then got bored and annoyed enough to comment
Okay so I guess I kinda get where he’s coming from, in that people in American politics care about the state of america, and less about other countries (Afghanistan/Iraq in this case), but he is kinda taking it to the extreme and exaggerating the actual opinions people have on the value of the lives of people in other countries.
The thing I really don’t get at all in the video is him calling better welfare and healthcare for Americans ‘treats’, and that Americans will ‘do anything for their treats’. Like, is wanting to help our own people bad now? Is getting universal healthcare, a better social safety net, things that are standard in the rest of the developed world and Europe, just optional treats? Maybe we should also care about the Americans America has fucked over too, if we care so much about the value of every life.
I think he also just overstates how much platner and vets in general are mass murders and revel in the blood, and for a decent amount of the video all he was doing was pointing at platner being in the military and calling him a mass murdering psychopath in various ways. That’s a harder/longer argument I don’t have time for rn tho
Go to 25:30
It’s been six months since I lost my job. Nobody is hiring and padding my CV with certifications is getting me nowhere. I have to skip meals and go without my medication.
Everyone who claims the moral high ground and wants to make the world a better place is leaving me to starve in the streets. I just got out of an interview for minimum a wage job, that has quite a bit of competition. I was making six figures.
I haven’t ruled out joining ICE. If you click on my profile you’ll see my banner is Tezcatlipoca the Aztec god because I revere him. When you have no one and nowhere to go it’s easy to become a hypocrite.
I don’t know how much longer I can hold out to afford my soul.
Theft is an option. I’m serious. Which is more morally acceptable? ICE or robbery?
Good luck homie, job hunting in 2025 is pure hell.
If you join ICE you are the enemy hell getting into Breaking and Entering or drug trafficking would be much more moral. There is no excuse to use your poverty as an excuse to violently oppress or kill others for money.
An example of exactly what I was talking about.
Opposing becoming an armed enforcer of fascism is not a bad thing no matter how you try to present it.
You’re completely missing the point of what I said and condemning me for something I haven’t done.
I bet you’re a rich kid. Pay my mortgage and my grocery bill then judge me. Until then you’re not helping anyone.
I’m the farthest from rich but whatever you say. Make whatver excuses you want to justify punching down to help yourself.
If you feel you have to join maybe you can work to sabotage their operations from within? I don’t think that would be so bad if you are good at it.
Need a reference from “Some weird scandinavian entity that is technically a real company?”
No thank you. I have real references, it’s just hard finding a job in my niche.
I’m technically a web developer/engineer with heavy frontend design focus. What I am is a React web Developer that can design. I can’t do coding challenges to save my life. I’ve taken courses and grinded out l33tcode and Hackerrank challenges to be better, but after 2 months of that I made zero progress in getting better.
If you know anyone that needs a UX/UI web guy then hit up my DM’s.
What about trying industrial automation? Can you travel?
Technically yeah! How do I do it and how hard is an entry level job to acquire?
You need a bit of luck, but if you’re willing to travel a lot, employers usually love that.
The field varies from the 4-5 guys building little machines in a workshop, with software written by a guy “who’s good at computers”, to the giant corporation with frameworks, guidelines and huge teams of engineers. I think the median is closer to the first than the latter, with simple logic running on a PLC and with an HMI (touchscreen) as interface. Often the same person takes care of both… Of course things can and do get complicated, but from a computer programmer/engineer/whatever’s point of view, it shouldn’t be complex.
The most common languages are those specified in IEC_61131-3, essentially Ladder, where you draw logic circuits, FBD, where you draw MORE COMPLEX logic circuits, and structured text, which is a sort of Pascal.
You need a basic grasp of electricity, as long as you know what Amperes and Volts are, and remember Ohm’s law, you’re fine. Most devices have quirks which only experience can teach you, but whatever.
Of course there’s more advanced programming as well, but it’s usually on the SCADA side, and there it may get interesting for you, as some of those now support web technologies, like Inductive Automation’s Ignition.Pay is usually good, and gets better with travel pay, and seeing machines DO STUFF and make people’s work easier is a great feeling.
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Whether this suggestion matches your circumstances depends on too many different factors, so take it for what it’s worth.
Your still-employed neighbors are exhausted hanging on to their own jobs, they need things done and still have money. So, are you comfortable doing handyman things, or landscaping? Hanging out a shingle and hustling as a handyperson can be reasonably rewarding, if you have any ability at all in a home maintenance task people with money but not time might need.
A person who can SEO a website and maybe some Google ads will be head and shoulders above the average joe in terms of getting first customers, then reputation takes off locally. Homeowners talk to each other.
It pays much better than minimum wage. A friend runs a one man tree-trimming service and can clear $2k a day. That’s extreme because tree work is hard as hell and he is jacked, but even changing people’s furnace filters on a schedule will earn more than retail.
Healthcare is an issue, I understand, so maybe this isn’t for you. Just trying to explore alternatives that help you avoid that awful choice. Good luck, you aren’t alone.
Thanks for the suggestion.
The only issue is that I’m an old man. Doing physical labor will wear on me instantly. I don’t know SEO, but I can make the entire application a business needs ( I have AWS certs). I’m studying to get project management certification so I can do management stuff. The min wage job I mentioned is a customer service role.
I see. Tree trimming is definitely out then! Other hustles are less demanding, but may be too much or not depending entirely on your health and vigor. I was shocked to hear how much another friend made trimming rose bushes in swanky neighborhoods, still physical but easy compared to trees.
Good on you for being open to ideas though. It is hella tough to stay mentally flexible under sustained unemployment stress, right at the time when lateral thinking is what is needed.
Best of luck to you, I hope you can keep body and soul together
What if you join ICE and don’t arrest people?
Wondering about this.
There probably is a clausule that says you can’t just quit on your first day or you gotta pay it back but I doubt there is one for incompetence.
But I also expect the recruiters might do background checks to filter out people with brains or ethics.
It’s not given all at once you get a lump sum upfront and then a percentage a year after probably for maybe 3-5 years.
How much upfront?
What if you arrest your superiors instead?
One of the bad-faith assertions here is that people join the armed forces TO mass-murder people. This has never been the common motivation, and I just wanted to point that out.
There is an entire catalogue of issues with armed forces deployments into strange and foreign lands with minimal support or mandate, but we don’t assert the motivation; because that lens looks at you too, and it’s not good right now.
However mass-murder isnt a dealbreaker for those sacks of excrement so they deserve no benefit of the doubt.
Depends on the person, a lot of people justify it to themselves that they won’t necessarily have to kill anyone. Recruiters also obviously don’t always tell people the truth of what they will actually be doing and just want you to sign on.
There also legitimately is a lot more to the military than being a front-line trigger puller, there is a massive supply, maintenance, etc. system that employs people with practically zero chance of them ever having to kill someone.
Tbh I have personally considered joining in such a role (particularly aircraft maintenance) but decided to pursue a civilian career.
The core business is to kill, maim and destroy, or coerce through threat of same. Everyone in the organisation works towards that core business. The chap who changes the oil is just as responsible for the slaughter as the idiot who drops the bombs.
All of these argument’s apply just a much to ss members
This coming from a guy who didn’t fight imperialism in Australia, and fled to neolibertarianism in Argentina means a lot.
