What happens to the election if Biden dies before it?

  • With considerable time til the election
  • Not enough time to change the election

Assuming Biden wins on election day, what is the procedure at various stages throughout the election if Biden dies?

  • After election day but before votes are counted
  • Votes counted but not certified by Congress
  • Certified but not inaugurated
  • Any other stages I’ve missed
  • wtfrank@feddit.ukEnglish
    30·
    6 months ago

    Also consider what happens if Trump dies at any of these stages - he’s almost the same age so all else being equal he’s almost as likely to die during the same period

    • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeOPEnglish
      4·
      6 months ago

      I bet they already have the conspiracy theories prepped for when Trump dies. It would be interesting for someone to make a Reddit post asking for MAGA to share their theories that someone is trying to terminate Trump, so that when he eventually passes from natural causes, we could pull that up as relevant info to see why no one did anything beforehand to prevent the attempt or if the conspiracy that emerges wasn’t stated before it happened.

    • philpo@feddit.de
      2·
      6 months ago

      Bonus round with the upcoming (small) bird flu epidemic:

      What if both die days before the election due to a sudden illness?

  • Serialchemist@ttrpg.network
    20·
    6 months ago

    The Vice President-Elect is sworn in instead. This is covered by section 3 of the 20th amendment.

    Section 3.

    If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President-elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President-elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President-elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President-elect nor a Vice President-elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

  • jordanlund@lemmy.world
    19·
    6 months ago

    There’s actually a novel that describes the process and it actually depends on when it happens.

    If Biden wins the election, but dies before the electoral college votes, it’s a free-for-all. The electoral college can vote for whoever they want.

    If he dies AFTER the EC vote, but before it’s certified, there’s a different set of problems.

    If he dies after the vote and the certification, the VP becomes President.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People's_Choice_(novel)

        • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
          2·
          6 months ago

          That’s definitely going to put a strain on his heart.

          Someone needs to hire a lot of porn stars for him, see if they can get him excited enough to have a massive heart attack. Maybe hire a lot of women that look like his daughter?

      • hark@lemmy.world
        13·
        6 months ago

        Evil motherfuckers tend to live forever, unfortunately. It’s the pure concentrated hate that sustains them.

  • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
    15·
    6 months ago

    President Harris and Vice President Jefferies

    Anything else means instant constitutional crisis, but at the same time, we’ll be able hear the explosions from space as right winger minds absorb that circumstance has brought about the first female president and also the first PoC President Vice President team.

    If Kamala was good at trolling she’d not nominate any white people to the cabinet so we can all enjoy fox pundits trying to find the magic combination of words that let them be mad about an all PoC cabinet without it being racist, but I’m pretty sure she’s at least going to keep Buttigieg on as Transit Czar since he’s been going at least hard enough to get HSR moving finally between LA and Vegas.

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      6 months ago

      Vice President Jefferies

      It doesn’t work that way. First of all, Mike Johnson is the Speaker, and is next in line for the Presidency after the VP, not Jeffries. But that entire list is strictly to see who would be President if the office were suddenly vacant. The House Speaker would only take over if there is a Presidential vacancy while the office of VP is also vacant.

      Should Harris becomes President due to Biden leaving office early, the office of VP would become vacant and remain so until President Harris picks a replacement, and that replacement is ratified by both houses of Congress. Sadly, in today’s political climate that is not a guarantee.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
    9·
    6 months ago

    See inside what? Did you link to anything?

    As I see it, key deadlines are:

    • The party conventions, where each parties nominee will be formalized. (But recall that the actual Democratic Nomination will be done before the convention, to meet some State deadlines).

    • The election itself, where voters choose which slate of electors cast EC votes.

    • The electoral college election that really matters.

    • The counting of the EC Votes

    • the inauguration

    Once the nominations are formalized, they probably can’t be undone, since there are State deadlines involved.

    But always remember that people are not voting for the candidates themselves, but for a slate of electors. And while the expectation is for these electors to vote for the ticket they were pledged to, if one candidate is subject to God’s Almighty Recall Vote, they appear to have the discretion to file votes differently.

    Once the EC votes are cast, though, there would probably be no choice but to accept them. (Congress recently revamped the counting process to eliminate some of the shenanigans that happened last time). I expect that if either one croaks after that, they would probably just inaugurate the VP on the ticket directly.

    (Edited to add: states may be able to change EC votes after the December EC election. That date is based on a “safe harbor” deadline which makes EC votes harder to challenge. So, if the winning candidate bites it on Christmas Day there’s probably a way for State Legislatures to certify new EC votes before Congress counts them Jan 6, but we should expect a challenge to that.)

    (It would suck if Trump won, and Biden croaked on Jan 19th. We might have our first female President, for one day.)

  • norimee@lemmy.world
    8·
    6 months ago

    Additional question. If the Vice President takes over and becomes President, do they finish the full term or are they just interim president until a new election can take place?

  • listless@lemmy.cringecollective.ioEnglish
    7·
    6 months ago
    1. They can literally keep a dead guy on the ballot. Then the vice president would take over immediately upon inauguration.
    2. The Democratic Party could quickly pick a different candidate and have that person run and beyond the ballot.
  • Furbag@lemmy.world
    3·
    6 months ago

    There is a procedure for this. To simplify the answer, Kamala Harris will become President on inauguration day in any of your listed scenarios, since she’s the current VP/VP-elect.

    It’s theoretically possible that if Biden drops dead today, that the DNC could manage to pivot to a new contender, but there are two significant problems with that:

    1. It’s suuuper late in the process. They already called the primaries for Biden, so he has the delegates. If he dies, they go to his VP, so it would be up to Harris to give them to someone else at that point if anybody else were to be selected (essentially dropping out of the race herself). This is a bad move because giving delegates to someone who didn’t even primary will seem undemocratic, coronating somebody that the people did not even endorse for the ticket.

    2. Replacing Biden with someone else doesn’t give them much time to campaign. A big part of the election cycle is traveling to swing states to convince those people to vote for you. It’s not that those people are suddenly going to go vote for the other guy (Trump, in this case), but they’re far more likely to stay home because they won’t be energized for this newcomer who didn’t have enough time to court their votes, or to convince them to turn out for their policies/platform rather than be apathetic about the outcome of the election.