Where would you even move to?
It should have been clear when the police was cracking down on the university protests in 2024.
Good for them.
Oh, it opens with a 6min unskippable video. instead of an article, on a website that still has the line “Today’s Paper” at the top of the page.
At this point I’m convinced that the NYT is living in the 2000s.
We need an “I’m an academic expert on fascism. Of you see me running try and keep up” tee shirt
If you see me running, try to keep up*
They’re fascism experts, not grammar experts
They study Nazis, not grammar nazis
White Nazis, not right Nazis.
Or… Write Nazis
My therapist called me a canary in the coal mine. I’m trans, I have the means to move, basically it was a “if you leave suddenly I’ll know things have gotten really bad”. I’ve almost gotten everything lined up to move on a plan but I’m still keeping my bug out bag around in case something bad enough happens I need to leave day of to try and get past the border
Any advice for someone starting this sort of planning (beyond "you should’ve started a year ago)?
Be born with Irish grandparents.
Hah! I wish. Last 4+ generations of my family were born in the US.
Ehhmm… Would you happen to need a live in maid, assistant, gardener, groundskeeper…anything wherever you end up? Asking for a friend.
Straight up if I find a place with enough space and I can afford the rent, I’m going to try and bring in another person and give them free or greatly reduced rent. I can’t help with the residency permit stuff but helping someone land is the least I can do
Same as the other comment. That’s very generous of you.
Housing is pretty much the main concern for me regarding moving at this time.
You are a kind soul. We need more of you.
Well, I’m glad you have the privilege to do so, I suppose.
Well, why don’t the 250 million Americans who didn’t vote for trump just also move to Canada???
Would be nice but you can’t simply move to any other country you want. Other countries have enacted similar stupid immigration laws just like the US. There isn’t a single country where US citizens can just move (except the US of course). It’s like a curse. The orange in the WH would need to do something really f’ed for other countries to accept american asylum applications. personally I wish I could just bag and go
Slight exception, there is Svalbard I believe which has no visas required to live there. It is frozen though.
It’s great when people on your side of the border hate you because you support human rights, and people on the other side of the border hate you because of where you were born and lived untill recently.
Also simultaneously being told “you should just leave your shit hole country” from one group of people and also “you should stay and fix your own stupid country before you try and ruin others”
Basically “fuck you for existing, now go die quietly so we can get on with our lives”
And don’t even get me started on any sort of minority group and how shitty they have it here. Can’t even walk to the corner store without looking over their shoulder for ICE or some other thug law enforcement.
Someone once told me to just apply to be a refugee and move to Canada, as a response to complaining about trump supporters in my area. They weren’t even a trump supporter themselves. Bruh, I doubt Canada wants my disabled and out of work ass, even if it was just that simple.
No, they dont,
just like how the US doesn’t want the dumbshit “my way or the highway” western canadian separatists.immigration is difficult, you’ve got to be extremely rich, smart and highly skilled in a marketable and demanded field, or lucky.
most people are none of these things
You can’t apply for refugee status from the US to Canada anyway
You don’t need refugee status to move somewhere tho. In the case of Canada you mostly just need to prove you can support yourself, and pass an English or French proficiency test.
Not that simple, no.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada.html
From the US you would need to be skilled in something that we need, otherwise you can start as a tourist for 6 months and you need to apply to stay longer. Just because you can support yourself (let’s say you work remotely for a US company while living in Canada) it doesn’t mean that you can stay just because you speak English.
Must be nice.
Good idea - it’s best to study fascism from a healthy distance.
Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Technically you can criticize from afar but it’s good to have fascism experts on the front lines.
This is also an incredibly privileged thing to be able to do and one that the vast majority of the most vulnerable and likely to be on the camp list are stuck here and would like some experts to help fight back.
The thing they are good for us as a canary in a coal mine, which is why they publish this.
Most miners would act when the candy dies out of experience. Most people with poor understanding of history lack the experience.
Well we all know that Fascism experts are the least important people to have around when Fascism takes over a country.
Historically nobody fucking listens to fascism experts so yeah that’s true. Looking at the pace Trump is democracy at and the state of “resistance” to his regime, I’d bail too, and I didn’t spend my whole career studying the horrors of fascism.
Well, that was a little terrifying
considering the actions of the current administration it would have probably been better to publish this after leaving the US
I suspect they’re willing to take the risk to try and warn others. This is sort of a middle ground approach. They’re banking on Trump not being able to retaliate in time before they leave the country, he’s moving fast, but he’s not at the imprison political opponents stage yet. He will be soon, but they’ve got some time.
In the meantime, it serves as a warning to us and others to get out if you can.
To be fair many of the US media outlets, among which is also the New York Times often refused to call out the utter nonsense that Trump was spewing during the campaign. This is also a reason it has come to the current situation.
“As the leading experts on this topic we feel that the best course of action is to hide. We feel that anyone else would be better suited to help address something that is so bad we believe it will eventually lead to global turmoil.”
And people have the audacity to think that most of these modern academics are nepotistic charlatans and spineless cowards. Pssshhhaawww.
These experts sound like they rolled high for their intelligence stat, but low for wisdom.
As an expert, they should know how well hiding has historically worked against fascists. Eventually, the only place that ends up being available to hide in is the mass grave the fascists dug for you.
How about fighting before it gets worse? How about you make the thin skinned idiots scared to be so openly fascist? How about showing them there is a resistance against their behaviour instead of immediate capitulation at the earliest necessity of protest.
Because from where I’m sitting, running away encourages fascists to think they’re scary enough to avoid the consequences of their actions via intimidation. Yet, they’re a bunch of old geriatric idiots that take offense for calling their hands small.
Fucking calling them names works better than running away.
Running away makes it seem like sticks and stones are necessary when words will always hurt them.
All thats needed to beat these idiots is a stream of childish insults being lobbed at them publically at a near constant rate. Trump would literally quit being president if he had to hear about having a small dick, hands, and brain everyday. But heaven forbid such a stupid solution ever be pursued by academics. (Despite it being incredibly effective when Trump did the same to Biden).
Ahh but they’re calling it a protest because they got an NyTimes article written about their leaving.
The New York Times never fails to reveal its close adherence to its century-plus role as entertainment for the well-to-do who want to play in the trappings of intellectualism without ever having their status quo truly challenged.
Took them long enough.
