People to the left of Liberals aren’t Tankies, but Tankies whinge that the winner is not left of Liberal. They would probably also whinge about an NDP PM. The only outcome I can see them celebrating is conservative victory. Tankies are scum of the earth.
The discourse on Lemmy however is a tendency to use “tankie” as some kind of othering identity marker. If I, an NDP and QS supporter, raise my hand and say “excuse me but Carney is a right wing Liberal, and I’m not comfortable with how the Overton Window has shifted to the right in Canada”, there is a clear narrative that will lump me in with the Others, right? Who by virtue of being tankies are therefore traitorous to Canada and therefore, hello, here’s the old red scare trope of “fellow travellers”, “pinkos” and “useful idiots”. Let’s not pretend that’s not the case.
You’re right, demanding we expand NDP while throwing the election to conservatives does make you a traitor accomplice. And regardless of figure of speech, there is no virtue among tankies. If you want to move the overton window left then remove as many conservatives from office as possible, that is the only path forward.
Consequences matter. Maybe you are full of leftwing virtue but no one sane or intelligent cares.
Valuing your virtue over consequences makes you a threat to everyone, including yourself. You’ll sink the ship for your principles and drag everyone down with you. So yes, if it minimizes you or your group’s political influence it makes sense to call you a traitor.
Its what got my country Trump. I now feel a visceral internal rage when anyone tells me “Democrats and Republicans are the same.” Regardless of what their actual politics are. Because I know they did not vote, they let this shit happen so they wouldn’t “dirty their hands”. I hate them. I despise them.
Buddy, your political system is nothing like ours. We don’t have one all-or-nothing election. We have a Westminster system, we have a multiparty democracy, we have minority governments and the capacity for coalitions. Our supreme Court justices retire, our federalism is not broken like yours and we don’t have founding daddy issues that cripple us to blindly worshipping some 200 year old piece of paper.
Keep your rage your side of the border, your frame of reference does not translate to our system. Pipe down.
Buddy, your political system is nothing like ours. We don’t have one all-or-nothing election. We have a Westminster system, we have a multiparty democracy, we have minority governments and the capacity for coalitions. Our supreme Court justices retire, our federalism is not broken like yours and we don’t have founding daddy issues that cripple us to blindly worshipping some 200 year old piece of paper.
You still have a first past the post. My rage applies to people who ignore tactical voting in order to maintain their sense of virtue.
Besides, based on what you’ve said for all I know if you were eligible to vote in the US, you’d abstain from voting or advocate that both parties were bad and complain about lesser evilism here.
Keep your rage your side of the border, your frame of reference does not translate to our system. Pipe down.
What happened to “You Americans act like you are the world, maybe pay attention to the rest of us.”? If I’m to invest time in world events, I obviously am going to make some level of commentary.
That your country elected a government hostile to the Trump admin is very much my business. I am incredibly happy that your voting population has done so. I hope Carney embarrasses Trump. I hope he makes my fellow dipshit Americans who voted for Trump or failed to vote against him feels every ounce of bad decision making and evil and SUFFERS.
I’ve said it before, but if somehow in the future there was some military conflict between our countries, I would end up siding with your government in a heart beat and maybe even attempt to join your military… I would do things to MAGA homes that would have international watch dogs vomit at the sight of, my antipathy for MAGA is that intense.
Good. Hopefully it won’t ever come to that. And it’s good that you’re paying attention. But inform yourself before you go all guns blazing.
Tactical voting in Canada is a much much much more granular affair than in the US. And tactical voting does not mean necessarily “vote for the centrist or the fascists win”. Case in point:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchener_Centre_(federal_electoral_district) The Conservatives won because Liberals split the vote and ended up costing the incumbent Green MP the seat. The same Green had beat the Conservatives in the previous election. So stupid US-style tactical voting for the centrist handed a seat to the Right. Do you see why I react the way I do with stupid monkeying of US style two-party politics?
Anything to the left of the Liberals is “tankies” now?
People to the left of Liberals aren’t Tankies, but Tankies whinge that the winner is not left of Liberal. They would probably also whinge about an NDP PM. The only outcome I can see them celebrating is conservative victory. Tankies are scum of the earth.
The discourse on Lemmy however is a tendency to use “tankie” as some kind of othering identity marker. If I, an NDP and QS supporter, raise my hand and say “excuse me but Carney is a right wing Liberal, and I’m not comfortable with how the Overton Window has shifted to the right in Canada”, there is a clear narrative that will lump me in with the Others, right? Who by virtue of being tankies are therefore traitorous to Canada and therefore, hello, here’s the old red scare trope of “fellow travellers”, “pinkos” and “useful idiots”. Let’s not pretend that’s not the case.
You’re right, demanding we expand NDP while throwing the election to conservatives does make you a traitor accomplice. And regardless of figure of speech, there is no virtue among tankies. If you want to move the overton window left then remove as many conservatives from office as possible, that is the only path forward.
Nice imagination you got there. Do you have more things to imagine about what my political positions are, while calling me a fucking traitor?
Some people man.
Consequences matter. Maybe you are full of leftwing virtue but no one sane or intelligent cares.
Valuing your virtue over consequences makes you a threat to everyone, including yourself. You’ll sink the ship for your principles and drag everyone down with you. So yes, if it minimizes you or your group’s political influence it makes sense to call you a traitor.
Its what got my country Trump. I now feel a visceral internal rage when anyone tells me “Democrats and Republicans are the same.” Regardless of what their actual politics are. Because I know they did not vote, they let this shit happen so they wouldn’t “dirty their hands”. I hate them. I despise them.
Buddy, your political system is nothing like ours. We don’t have one all-or-nothing election. We have a Westminster system, we have a multiparty democracy, we have minority governments and the capacity for coalitions. Our supreme Court justices retire, our federalism is not broken like yours and we don’t have founding daddy issues that cripple us to blindly worshipping some 200 year old piece of paper.
Keep your rage your side of the border, your frame of reference does not translate to our system. Pipe down.
You still have a first past the post. My rage applies to people who ignore tactical voting in order to maintain their sense of virtue.
Besides, based on what you’ve said for all I know if you were eligible to vote in the US, you’d abstain from voting or advocate that both parties were bad and complain about lesser evilism here.
What happened to “You Americans act like you are the world, maybe pay attention to the rest of us.”? If I’m to invest time in world events, I obviously am going to make some level of commentary.
That your country elected a government hostile to the Trump admin is very much my business. I am incredibly happy that your voting population has done so. I hope Carney embarrasses Trump. I hope he makes my fellow dipshit Americans who voted for Trump or failed to vote against him feels every ounce of bad decision making and evil and SUFFERS.
I’ve said it before, but if somehow in the future there was some military conflict between our countries, I would end up siding with your government in a heart beat and maybe even attempt to join your military… I would do things to MAGA homes that would have international watch dogs vomit at the sight of, my antipathy for MAGA is that intense.
Good. Hopefully it won’t ever come to that. And it’s good that you’re paying attention. But inform yourself before you go all guns blazing.
Tactical voting in Canada is a much much much more granular affair than in the US. And tactical voting does not mean necessarily “vote for the centrist or the fascists win”. Case in point: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchener_Centre_(federal_electoral_district) The Conservatives won because Liberals split the vote and ended up costing the incumbent Green MP the seat. The same Green had beat the Conservatives in the previous election. So stupid US-style tactical voting for the centrist handed a seat to the Right. Do you see why I react the way I do with stupid monkeying of US style two-party politics?