“Lock her up” was his fucking campaign slogan at the time.
Another raving LEFTIST whose trying to DESTROY our glorious country with LIES and FALSEHOODS!!!
huge fucking /s
There’s a whole movie using the same rhythm ‘dont look up’ that, I assume, it was modeled after. I’m sure his narcissism is clutching for some control these days and it’s driving him mad.
Ugh. Here we go:
That didn't happen. <-- We are here And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did... You deserved it.That didn't happen. <-- We are here And if it did, it wasn't that bad. <-- We are here And if it was, that's not a big deal. <-- We are here And if it is, that's not my fault. <-- We are here And if it was, I didn't mean it. <-- We are here And if I did... You deserved it. <-- We are here
Physicist would love to study Trump as quantuum system
I mean…he can cycle through those stages as fast or as short as he wants. I’m more interested in a different cycle.
Trump prepares for an election one year away.
Trump is not a criminal.
Trump goes on trial.
Trump farts in his sleep.
Trump IS a criminal.
Trump is locked up.
Maybe someone in jail pokes him in the eyes, or kicks him in the balls.
THATS the series of events I’M here to see. And you know CNN would somehow get access to the video footage of trump in jail. Especially if something funny happens.
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I sort of want to see Trump do a speed run through the steps.
Like could he do all 6 in one speech?
“Lies”. The word is “lies”, WaPo. Use it.
Yeah he’ll sue. So??
I’m seeing a trendy way of doing the headline:
“Trump claims he never said lock her up. He did. Several times.”
Or some variation.
"All the times Trump said “Lock her up”
“Trump said “Lock her up”, now claims he never did”
What I would like is for them to show him the evidence and then see what he says.
Lying requires intent to deceive. Honestly, at this point, I can’t be sure trump has any grip on reality so might actually believe that he never said it.
Falsely claims accurately depicts what happened without assuming intent. It’s a way to cover their butt.
I think there are actually 3 different cases:
- Knows what is true and chooses to say a falsehood. This is your normal person lying, which usually comes with subtle indications which can be spotted by the observant that they’re lying, such as them turning their eyes away when lying, because the person knowingly lying feels guilty.
- Couldn’t care less about what is true or false when talking to other people, so say whatever benefits them most to say. This is sociopaths, psychopaths and narcissists such as Trump: for them talk is just a way to get others to do what’s best for them and truthfulness is irrelevant and unimportant, so they fell no guilt at all from lying since lying or telling the truth is all the same with possibly an intellectual consideration that there is no long term tisk of personal negative impact over the long run due to loss of trust when telling the truth so in that case they might refrain from telling a falsehood.
- People who have visions, see things that aren’t there or, more commonly, have a strong emotional binding to some tribe and have been told things, interpretations of things or conclusions by leaders of that tribe and refuse to even examine them mentally to determine their truthfulness. This is were you find the outright insane and the deeply religious, but also the members of political, national and even sports tribes. They genuinely believe that what they are saying is the truth, mostly because they didn’t checked those truths for consistency or for “does the source of this stand to gain if I believe it” (I.e. cui bono). This is were you find many of the medically insane, people who believe in populist politicians, deeply religious types and people who will believe in any old bollocks from the politicians from “their” side even when they’re not generally deemed populist politicians.
Anyway, my point being that the most of the lying on really important shit is coming from the 2nd group or the 3rd group, since normal people who truly know that what they would say would be a falsehood don’t like how it makes them feel so tend to refrain from doing it, whilst members of the 2nd group only consider truthfulness-vs-falsehoods in purely intellectual “what’s best for me to say” terms and those on the 3rd group actually believe what they’re saying (hence feel no guilt in saying it) because they’re unable or unwilling to examine, evaluate and judge for truthfulness statements coming from certain sources - they have no intent to deceive but they are none the less doing it because by purposefully refusing to evaluate and judge the truthfulness of certain things from certain sources they’ve first allowed themselves to be deceived, so when they parrot those things, in their mind they are telling the truth.
Lying, by definition, requires an intent to deceive. I agree with you that groups 2 and 3 are where most false statements come from, but they aren’t lying, by definition.
Well, I would say that not caring about telling the truth at all (group #2) can be considered sistematically lying - they do know they’re lying, they just don’t care at all about something they say being true or it being false. Their intent is to convince others no matter how and if that requires deceit, outright lying is an absolutelly normal and commonly used tool in the toolbox they use for it.
It’s not “intent to deceit” in a sort of per-lie way as a normal person would have - i.e. a child denying they got a cookie from the cookie jar by blaming the dog - but a far broader “intent to deceit” that’s not limited to that one lie - i.e. constantly spinning stories and manging the impression and images one projects, using outright lies just as easilly as using half-truths or selective information: the whole structure is deceit. This is mainly how they differ from normal people, who are not casual users of lying when they intent to deceive hence use lies in a more purposeful way (as they have to first convince themselves to lie).
The only real difference between the likes of Trump and most mainstream politicians (such as Biden) on this is that the threshold for using lies whilst doing their story spinning and image management is a lot lower for Trump (who just straightforward lies a lot), but those using sleazy language, selective information and other forms of inducing others to reach false conclusions still have an intent to deceive even if they avoid easilly spotted lies.
I do agree that those in the third group are indeed not lying, which is why I separated them from the other 2 groups. They’re not trying to deceive (hence why they react so badly when accuse of doing so) even though they are deceiving, though the “lying” in their case is done first to themselves by chosing to refrain from examinining certain things they are told.
I think the easiest to understand here are religious people: they trully believe the unproven and unprovable, mainly because they chose to not check any of it for believability - the ones amongst them who present something as as being “information” rather than “hearsay”, even though they purposefully chose not to evaluate it are they ones lying, not because they knowingly are telling untruths, but because they’re lying about the “informational” quality of what they’re saying. (So, for exampl, somebody saying “The Bible says: X” are not lying, but the ones saying “It’s X” are, not on the “X”, but on the use of “is” rather than telling us they got that “truth” of their from a religious book).
Hey guys, this one’s… borderline. The idea that Trump never said that is silly enough that I’m going to allow this post to stay, but its onion-y flavor is pretty weak.
This does sound like
piloramaonion.
That sounds like *checks* fake news.
I feel when a person says it it’s just a lie. People speaking isn’t news right?
Such a weird phrase.
This is a new tier of cognitive dissonance, even for Trump. I mean he literally got crowds chanting “lock her up!” Hopefully this is the icing on the cake of his felony convictions and gets a few more people to break out of the cult.
Dude, he lied about the weather and the size of the crowd on his inauguration day. He fundamentally doesn’t care about the truth. He doesn’t hate it or anything, it’s just that the truth isn’t important to him unless denying it would get him in immediate trouble.
I know he’s a liar. But lying about those things can’t resonate with his supporters the way this could. This was almost a core campaign slogan, it’s a downright meme. A denial that he supported it ought to be a much more obvious lie than the others
This also makes him look weak, since many still believe she belongs in jail, which is a cardinal sin in the GOP.
If only we had a word for an intentionally “false claim”… maybe we could call it something like “falclay”… or maybe just “lie”, for short.
Gen Z likes to invent slang. Let’s make this “lie” thing happen. What do you say, WaPo?
I can’t help but groan loudly every time I see the Orange Menace being quoted in these articles. The word vomit is so relentless it’s hard to stomach. *gauges eyes out*
I read your last sentence wrong at first, and I was very confused about how vomit, the word, was relentless.
Sigh, I think my brain just wants his word-vomit to go away. But I know it won’t, so I might gouge out my ears as I think that might work better than gauging anything.
They definitely need a hyphen in word-vomit
Aye! Why isn’t everyone doing that? Maybe I’m just behind the times. Editing first comment.
So it’s the dementia huh. How do his supporters feel about that? Or they suffering from it too?
I’ve been thinking dementia for 8 years, but it just never seems progress.
His is, that’s pretty clear.
Probably they’re fine with it and yes they’ve got it too, considering more and more people are getting it at younger ages than usual, which I would guess is mainly due to covid/long covid.
No, they are enjoing it.
I want to know why mainstream media keeps referencing what he said during his 2020 campaign. His 2016 campaign was way more insidious and is actually related to the election interference conviction.
This is referencing his 2016 campaign? And last two times he ran for president it lead to violence so it all matters a lot. Maybe I’m reading your post all wrong
“Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country,” Trump said then. “I mean that very seriously. Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division. … I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.”
At the end of the day trump and Hillary still get along better than either would with their average voter.
If 1/6 hadn’t have happened, I fully believe trump wouldnt have any pending court cases.
Both parties forgive obvious crimes from prior administrations.
And no matter how much you hate trump, that doesnt make Hillary magically innocent.
She willingly and knowingly broke the law. And “the last guy did it too” isn’t the level of excuse we accept from teenagers.
The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges
I’m fully aware republicans do worse stuff, that doesn’t mean Dems can do anything they fucking want. That’s like a teen saying their older brother gets to smoke crack so they should at least be able to get blackout drunk every night
Yeah, it’s better, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.
If a Republican breaks the law, charge them.
But we should be charging Dems, Independents, Green party, literally all of them accountable when they break the law. Or else we’re going down the same road republicans already did, and they got a hell of a headstart
Or else we’re going down the same road republicans already did, and they got a hell of a headstart
And this folks, is a textbook example of concern trolling.
It’s called
Having standards
Not doing that, is how republicans got trump…
Some people know it as:
Trying to stop letting Republicans win elections
But that involves a couple steps of critical thinking and long term planning
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell ya what, you get started on your next little rant about Hillary’s emails while I just go ahead and block you, sound good? k bye now. 👋
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The concern trolling is that it doesn’t even give a shit about the original sentiment of Fuckface 45 lying about locking her up.
It’s a misdirect.
He said it during the campaign to get elected, then immediately went back on it once elected.
Something that is incredibly common and the only time it didn’t was when trumpntried an actual coup.
Which is why I talked about how if he hadn’t have done that, Biden would have said the same for him.
I’m sorry I didn’t type out all the steps for you, but it was already pretty long, and it seems like you already didn’t read it all before replying.
But that still wouldn’t be concern trolling either.
Like:
Biden is not a strong candidate and likely will at best get an entirely close win.
Is a valid concern, if not an actual fact. Everyone forgets how close 2020 was, and how most people were just voting against trump and not for Biden.
And after the last year, Biden is looking worse than in 2020.
Acknowledging reality isn’t “concern trolling” because you don’t like it
It’s like trumpets yelling “fake news” when they hear something they don’t like…
Just completely irrational.
Still misdirecting. Accept the truth, and stop trying to be devil’s advocate or provide “context”. He said “lock her up”, and he’s lied about that fact.
Get out of his fat ass. He’s not gonna give you an IOU or a teenager to fuck. He’s got nothing for you. He is nothing.
He said “lock her up”,
Literally no one is saying he didn’t…
Where is any of what you just said coming from?
From the article: “I didn’t say ‘lock her up,’ but the people said lock her up, lock her up,” Trump said.
And him actually saying the phrase:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5119492/user-clip-trump-saying-lock-upAnd don’t with that bullshit “he’s just responding and repeating what the audience said” because he’s literally fucking saying it. And also, repeating someone’s bullshit isn’t an excuse.
I’ve seen your shitty takes so many times but this one really illustrates who you are. No credibility whatso fucking ever.
She willingly and knowingly broke the law.
The FBI probe focused on whether Clinton or her staff violated federal laws governing the handling of classified information, and whether foreign powers or hostile actors hacked into her private server, which was located at her home in New York.
FBI Director James Comey on July 5 announced that although Clinton and her staff were “extremely careless” in handling classified information, the FBI did not find evidence that their actions were intentional. He declined to pursue criminal charges.
What law?
The Clinton campaign previously had indicated that her personal emails were deleted before Clinton received a congressional subpoena on March 4, 2015. But the FBI said her emails were deleted “between March 25-31, 2015” — three weeks after the subpoena.
That one? The first few lines of the link you provided? Just because they chose not to pursue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a violation of the law.
Just like a district attorney can chose not to prosecute on some charges in favor of only bringing a subset of them… or none at all?
It is illegal to purge/destroy evidence after being served a subpoena. However the answer seems to be that both you and the comment you responded to were wrong. A law was broken, but deemed unknowingly.
The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges
I gotta disagree on the facts with this one, I don’t like Hillary either but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit. I agree that she broke the law, but there’s civil law (that a court can order government officials to stop breaking, but you can’t be thrown in jail for) and criminal law (that you can be thrown in jail for). The private email server was the former, not the latter.
This article around 8 paragraphs down goes through the specific criminal laws at issue, but the summary is these laws are clearly designed to punish actually stealing documents with the intent to conceal or distribute them (like say, if she took them to a private bathroom in Florida), not to dictate criminal penalties for an insecure email setup.
The reality of what happened is the FBI is a very Republican part of government, Comey is himself a lifelong Republican, and no one got more hate from Republicans than Hillary Clinton. They wanted to prosecute very badly, they just couldn’t.
but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit
It was literally criminal…
From your own sourced:
Under 18 U.S.C.§ 2071, anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys,” public records, or attempts to do so, has committed a felony. Those found guilty can be fined, imprisoned for three years, and “disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
According to 18 U.S.C.§ 1924, it is a misdemeanor for government employees to “knowingly” remove classified information “without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location.” Former CIA director and retired general David Petraeus pleaded guilty to this crime after providing notebooks containing classified information to his biographer and mistress, Paula Broadwell. Petraeus was sentenced to just two years of probation and a $40,000 fine, but the maximum sentence is one year in prison and a $100,000 fine.
Her only defense was essentially “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”.
The frequent use of the words willfully and knowingly may help explain why the Clinton campaign keeps emphasizing that she never intentionally sent or received classified information via email. “Courts have required prosecutors to show that a defendant knew they were violating the law,” said Cox. “Given that it is unclear whether the State Department may have approved of, or at least acquiesced in, Clinton’s email arrangement; given that there is thus far no evidence that Clinton destroyed, or intended to conceal, emails that were properly government documents; and given that she willingly handed over the emails when requested, pursuing this charge would seem highly unlikely.”
Which is why I said everyone involved needed charges if they broke laws.
People had to sign off on this. Even if Hillary, who wouldn’t shut up about how experienced she is, didn’t know it, the person who forwarded the emails about it knew. Hell, there’s annual training literally every fed has to take on this.
I’m not saying it’s the worse crime ever, I’m saying we need to hold politicians accountable. And if you’re doing shit like this openly in front of the rest of your coworkers, it shows you think your above the rules, and that is very dangerous for politicians to think they are.
Hell, Biden got in trouble for not turning records in, he just left boxes in a random university office he just abandoned. Precedent matters, if no one is held accountable, everyone stops giving a fuck.
I don’t know why it’s such an unpopular opinion these days.
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using her own server wasn’t illegal tho.
If you scroll down, someone else gave me a source and said it proved she didn’t break in laws…
So I quoted the part of their source that says it was a felony and misdemeanor…
I don’t know why people are acting like trumpets about this.
If a politicians breaks the law, they should be charged
Full stop
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Go for if you want to I guess.
That ratio though!
Trump does little else but lie. If he said the sun comes up in the east I would have to verify.
Ok guys. Lets forget every single thing we hold against trump for why he shouldn’t be re-elected. Lets forget every scandal, every trashy thing thats come out of his mouth. Forget ALL that.
I still don’t think he should be reelected. I don’t even think he should be allowed to drive, or even be in public without a legal guardian caretaker. The man clearly has dementia. We don’t want someone who has dementia!
see’s Biden in office
Well shit.
see’s
Lol
Yes, our choices are selfish, evil dementia man who would burn you and everything around him to save his own ass, or well-intentioned dementia man I don’t really agree with on a lot of things that isn’t evil. It’s not a hard choice.
It’s not a hard choice…but why are THOSE the choices??? I agree with Biden on most things…but, listening to him talk is kind of like trusting the drunk guy to drive. He knows where he’s going, but will he make it there alive?
Those are the choices because they’re not going to trust a non-incumbent against Trump. That decision was made well over a year ago: complaining about it now is either a waste of time or a concerted effort to convince people to not vote.
Absolutely any and all attempts to convince American Voters to not vote is to be disregarded.
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