“Lock her up” is perhaps one of the most popular chants among Trump supporters, and he agreed with it or explicitly called for her jailing on several occasions.
“Hillary has worked very long and very hard over a long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country,” Trump said then. “I mean that very seriously. Now it is time for America to bind the wounds of division. … I say it is time for us to come together as one united people.”
At the end of the day trump and Hillary still get along better than either would with their average voter.
If 1/6 hadn’t have happened, I fully believe trump wouldnt have any pending court cases.
Both parties forgive obvious crimes from prior administrations.
And no matter how much you hate trump, that doesnt make Hillary magically innocent.
She willingly and knowingly broke the law. And “the last guy did it too” isn’t the level of excuse we accept from teenagers.
The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges
I’m fully aware republicans do worse stuff, that doesn’t mean Dems can do anything they fucking want. That’s like a teen saying their older brother gets to smoke crack so they should at least be able to get blackout drunk every night
Yeah, it’s better, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.
If a Republican breaks the law, charge them.
But we should be charging Dems, Independents, Green party, literally all of them accountable when they break the law. Or else we’re going down the same road republicans already did, and they got a hell of a headstart
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell ya what, you get started on your next little rant about Hillary’s emails while I just go ahead and block you, sound good? k bye now. 👋
Still misdirecting. Accept the truth, and stop trying to be devil’s advocate or provide “context”. He said “lock her up”, and he’s lied about that fact.
Get out of his fat ass. He’s not gonna give you an IOU or a teenager to fuck. He’s got nothing for you. He is nothing.
And don’t with that bullshit “he’s just responding and repeating what the audience said” because he’s literally fucking saying it. And also, repeating someone’s bullshit isn’t an excuse.
The FBI probe focused on whether Clinton or her staff violated federal laws governing the handling of classified information, and whether foreign powers or hostile actors hacked into her private server, which was located at her home in New York.
FBI Director James Comey on July 5 announced that although Clinton and her staff were “extremely careless” in handling classified information, the FBI did not find evidence that their actions were intentional. He declined to pursue criminal charges.
The Clinton campaign previously had indicated that her personal emails were deleted before Clinton received a congressional subpoena on March 4, 2015. But the FBI said her emails were deleted “between March 25-31, 2015” — three weeks after the subpoena.
That one? The first few lines of the link you provided? Just because they chose not to pursue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a violation of the law.
Just like a district attorney can chose not to prosecute on some charges in favor of only bringing a subset of them… or none at all?
It is illegal to purge/destroy evidence after being served a subpoena. However the answer seems to be that both you and the comment you responded to were wrong. A law was broken, but deemed unknowingly.
The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges
I gotta disagree on the facts with this one, I don’t like Hillary either but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit. I agree that she broke the law, but there’s civil law (that a court can order government officials to stop breaking, but you can’t be thrown in jail for) and criminal law (that you can be thrown in jail for). The private email server was the former, not the latter.
This article around 8 paragraphs down goes through the specific criminal laws at issue, but the summary is these laws are clearly designed to punish actually stealing documents with the intent to conceal or distribute them (like say, if she took them to a private bathroom in Florida), not to dictate criminal penalties for an insecure email setup.
The reality of what happened is the FBI is a very Republican part of government, Comey is himself a lifelong Republican, and no one got more hate from Republicans than Hillary Clinton. They wanted to prosecute very badly, they just couldn’t.
but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit
It was literally criminal…
From your own sourced:
Under 18 U.S.C.§ 2071, anyone who “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys,” public records, or attempts to do so, has committed a felony. Those found guilty can be fined, imprisoned for three years, and “disqualified from holding any office under the United States.”
According to 18 U.S.C.§ 1924, it is a misdemeanor for government employees to “knowingly” remove classified information “without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location.” Former CIA director and retired general David Petraeus pleaded guilty to this crime after providing notebooks containing classified information to his biographer and mistress, Paula Broadwell. Petraeus was sentenced to just two years of probation and a $40,000 fine, but the maximum sentence is one year in prison and a $100,000 fine.
Her only defense was essentially “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”.
The frequent use of the words willfully and knowingly may help explain why the Clinton campaign keeps emphasizing that she never intentionally sent or received classified information via email. “Courts have required prosecutors to show that a defendant knew they were violating the law,” said Cox. “Given that it is unclear whether the State Department may have approved of, or at least acquiesced in, Clinton’s email arrangement; given that there is thus far no evidence that Clinton destroyed, or intended to conceal, emails that were properly government documents; and given that she willingly handed over the emails when requested, pursuing this charge would seem highly unlikely.”
Which is why I said everyone involved needed charges if they broke laws.
People had to sign off on this. Even if Hillary, who wouldn’t shut up about how experienced she is, didn’t know it, the person who forwarded the emails about it knew. Hell, there’s annual training literally every fed has to take on this.
I’m not saying it’s the worse crime ever, I’m saying we need to hold politicians accountable. And if you’re doing shit like this openly in front of the rest of your coworkers, it shows you think your above the rules, and that is very dangerous for politicians to think they are.
Hell, Biden got in trouble for not turning records in, he just left boxes in a random university office he just abandoned. Precedent matters, if no one is held accountable, everyone stops giving a fuck.
I don’t know why it’s such an unpopular opinion these days.
At the end of the day trump and Hillary still get along better than either would with their average voter.
If 1/6 hadn’t have happened, I fully believe trump wouldnt have any pending court cases.
Both parties forgive obvious crimes from prior administrations.
And no matter how much you hate trump, that doesnt make Hillary magically innocent.
She willingly and knowingly broke the law. And “the last guy did it too” isn’t the level of excuse we accept from teenagers.
The sheer fact that she was allowed to use a self hosted email server instead of a secure .mail.mil address means a whole bunch of people should have faced charges
I’m fully aware republicans do worse stuff, that doesn’t mean Dems can do anything they fucking want. That’s like a teen saying their older brother gets to smoke crack so they should at least be able to get blackout drunk every night
Yeah, it’s better, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok.
If a Republican breaks the law, charge them.
But we should be charging Dems, Independents, Green party, literally all of them accountable when they break the law. Or else we’re going down the same road republicans already did, and they got a hell of a headstart
And this folks, is a textbook example of concern trolling.
It’s called
Not doing that, is how republicans got trump…
Some people know it as:
But that involves a couple steps of critical thinking and long term planning
Yeah, yeah, yeah, tell ya what, you get started on your next little rant about Hillary’s emails while I just go ahead and block you, sound good? k bye now. 👋
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The concern trolling is that it doesn’t even give a shit about the original sentiment of Fuckface 45 lying about locking her up.
It’s a misdirect.
He said it during the campaign to get elected, then immediately went back on it once elected.
Something that is incredibly common and the only time it didn’t was when trumpntried an actual coup.
Which is why I talked about how if he hadn’t have done that, Biden would have said the same for him.
I’m sorry I didn’t type out all the steps for you, but it was already pretty long, and it seems like you already didn’t read it all before replying.
But that still wouldn’t be concern trolling either.
Like:
Is a valid concern, if not an actual fact. Everyone forgets how close 2020 was, and how most people were just voting against trump and not for Biden.
And after the last year, Biden is looking worse than in 2020.
Acknowledging reality isn’t “concern trolling” because you don’t like it
It’s like trumpets yelling “fake news” when they hear something they don’t like…
Just completely irrational.
Still misdirecting. Accept the truth, and stop trying to be devil’s advocate or provide “context”. He said “lock her up”, and he’s lied about that fact.
Get out of his fat ass. He’s not gonna give you an IOU or a teenager to fuck. He’s got nothing for you. He is nothing.
Literally no one is saying he didn’t…
Where is any of what you just said coming from?
From the article: “I didn’t say ‘lock her up,’ but the people said lock her up, lock her up,” Trump said.
And him actually saying the phrase:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5119492/user-clip-trump-saying-lock-up
And don’t with that bullshit “he’s just responding and repeating what the audience said” because he’s literally fucking saying it. And also, repeating someone’s bullshit isn’t an excuse.
Again, no one is saying that he didn’t say that here… (At least when I made the comment)
The only way what you’re doing here makes any sense, is if when I meant that no one in this thread is disputing he said “lock her up”…
You thought I meant including trump.
Who did 100% say it, and is now 100% denying it for some reason.
Are we finally on the same page here?
I’ve seen your shitty takes so many times but this one really illustrates who you are. No credibility whatso fucking ever.
What law?
That one? The first few lines of the link you provided? Just because they chose not to pursue doesn’t mean it wasn’t a violation of the law.
Just like a district attorney can chose not to prosecute on some charges in favor of only bringing a subset of them… or none at all?
It is illegal to purge/destroy evidence after being served a subpoena. However the answer seems to be that both you and the comment you responded to were wrong. A law was broken, but deemed unknowingly.
I gotta disagree on the facts with this one, I don’t like Hillary either but the attempt to make the email thing criminal was in legal terms, bullshit. I agree that she broke the law, but there’s civil law (that a court can order government officials to stop breaking, but you can’t be thrown in jail for) and criminal law (that you can be thrown in jail for). The private email server was the former, not the latter.
This article around 8 paragraphs down goes through the specific criminal laws at issue, but the summary is these laws are clearly designed to punish actually stealing documents with the intent to conceal or distribute them (like say, if she took them to a private bathroom in Florida), not to dictate criminal penalties for an insecure email setup.
The reality of what happened is the FBI is a very Republican part of government, Comey is himself a lifelong Republican, and no one got more hate from Republicans than Hillary Clinton. They wanted to prosecute very badly, they just couldn’t.
It was literally criminal…
From your own sourced:
Her only defense was essentially “I’m sorry officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”.
Which is why I said everyone involved needed charges if they broke laws.
People had to sign off on this. Even if Hillary, who wouldn’t shut up about how experienced she is, didn’t know it, the person who forwarded the emails about it knew. Hell, there’s annual training literally every fed has to take on this.
I’m not saying it’s the worse crime ever, I’m saying we need to hold politicians accountable. And if you’re doing shit like this openly in front of the rest of your coworkers, it shows you think your above the rules, and that is very dangerous for politicians to think they are.
Hell, Biden got in trouble for not turning records in, he just left boxes in a random university office he just abandoned. Precedent matters, if no one is held accountable, everyone stops giving a fuck.
I don’t know why it’s such an unpopular opinion these days.
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using her own server wasn’t illegal tho.
If you scroll down, someone else gave me a source and said it proved she didn’t break in laws…
So I quoted the part of their source that says it was a felony and misdemeanor…
I don’t know why people are acting like trumpets about this.
If a politicians breaks the law, they should be charged
Full stop
That ratio though!
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Go for if you want to I guess.