• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      So many of my friends grew up in libertarian families. I wish their parents had been professional clowns instead of perennially divorced wealth obsessed crypto-nazis.

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    In my heart, i am a libertarian.

    In my brain, im not stupid enough to believe that the general public is smart enough to make it work.

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      The eternal problem of “the general public” is that they’re a product of their material conditions. They don’t emerge from the soil and engage with the world on first principles.

      When you grow up in a community that has been heavily privatized and financialized, socially owned and operated community functions have to be developed from the ground up rather than inherited. Any kind of proposed social change will grow out of the body of the system that came before.

      Libertarians grow up in countries where it is easier to believe in the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

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    A libertarian is just a conservative that likes weed. You can ask their girlfriends after they pick them up from middle school.

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      I wouldn’t say that actual libertarians are conservatives (I know some in europe), but a lot of conservatives in the us larp as libertarians because that was the original vision of the us freedom fighters and they also on some level think they are libertarians because they think libertarians are smart (because the avrg libertarian is way smarter than the avrg conservative) but your joke still works because conservatives and libertarians are both pedos

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        Bro, the moment that “abolishing the age of consent” is brought up, you need to know that they aren’t acting in good faith. Every argument they bring forth should be tainted by that shit!

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          yeah, but I know some libertarians and the reason most of them don’t like the age of consent is, that a child is basically the parents property in our current system, and I (especially with trans rights in mind) can see their point, parents shouldn’t be able to ruin a child’s life just because they fucked without condom

          that being said a lot of libertarians are pedos

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            parents shouldn’t be able to ruin a child’s life just because they fucked without condom

            You have a greater community of people who (theoretically) look out for one another beyond strict family association.

            In my experience, the kids who successfully come out and find their way into the broader LGBTQ community are the ones who have family or friends in that community to guide them.

            But in practice, your parents make a lot of decisions because you lack the information, the resources, or the social contentions to do them on your own.

            Fucking without a condom isn’t what gives parents dominion over their kids.

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      American Libertarianism is all about minimizing governmental oversight, regulation, and taxation. Basically people who already “got theirs” and want to pull the ladder up behind them so no one else can. Sovcits are like extremist libertarians.

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        Some of them are so stupid that they never even “got theirs.” But they see people who look different than them getting things that they didn’t get, and they can’t abide that…

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      the word libertarian comes from anarchists (eg. libertarian socialists) however right wing anarchists (anarcho capitalists) have claimed the term, so now a libertarian is a right wing anarchist

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        I say co-opt it back to its original leftist roots. I don’t mind calling myself a libertarian instead if I’m talking to a right winger who’s scared of anarchists and then just say “the socialist kind”. It’s a conversation starter to introducing a right winger to how one can believe a market free from capitalists (the best kind of free market) is actually not the worst idea ever

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        I still don’t believe that anarcho-capitalists exist. The ideology just loops back into fascism most of the time.

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        Capitalist anarchism doesn’t exist. Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy (or if you want to stick to the literal meaning of “anarchism”: capitalism is a way to create rulers)

        There are capitalist anti-statists, bit being against states isn’t sufficient to make you an anarchist for above reasons.

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          Capitalism is a form of unjust hierarchy

          It’s a form of hierarchy through economic accumulation. The problem of justice is in the privative accumulation. When we start the game playing from a stacked deck, only a handful of people ever have an opportunity to accumulate new capital, while the rest of us are bound to serve through debt.

          Leveling the playing field allows people to accumulate within their lifetimes, and incentivizes capital development broadly, without allowing intergenerational accumulation to stagnant the system.

          But wealth redistribution is incredibly unpopular among the people with the most political capital, necessitating some kind of social or economic revolution to achieve change.

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        there are also people like me who are in the middle and think both the left and right have valid economic points and arguments but that authoritarian rule is gross.
        Libertarianism is a spectrum just like authoritarianism.

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          both the left and right have valid economic points and arguments but that authoritarian rule is gross.

          I’m not clear how you have privatization without authoritarianism. Property claims without enforcement aren’t worth much.

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        But minarchists are also libertarians. Libertarian is quite wide term. It also may include left-libertarians (anarchists).

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      Watch this short video and realize they are the better half: https://youtu.be/PcllE7fx8-I

      They are right wingers that want to be free of government meddling in the form of anti discrimination laws, taxes and drivers licenses. For some reason they also the consider age of consent to be a greater evil that the Pentagon.

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        They claim the be for all of those things, but then they line up behind whatever fascist the Republican party puts in front of them, when push comes to shove.

        They’re full of shit.

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        They are right wingers that want to be free of government meddling in the form of anti discrimination laws, taxes and drivers licenses. For some reason they also the consider age of consent to be a greater evil that the Pentagon.

        Yeah, pedo-nazis.
        They want a white ethno state, where they can smoke meth and fuck kids. The whole “age of consent should be abolished to protect children who are essentially considered property of their parents until ages of majority because sometimes parents are really shitty to their kids” isn’t a solution to the stated problem. Proper funding, oversight and regulation of social programs such as child and family welfare/protection is significantly better than giving an easily manipulated child the right to consent. The only reason to make age of consent whenever a child can talk should be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain.

        And guess what, if you abolished anti-discrmination laws, you’d end up with only WASPs allowed to vote, massively suppressed wages and limited if any social benefits for women or anyone not white.

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    I actually agree with libertarians more often than with communists, because being anti authoritarian is my most inportant value

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    In guessing these are clown shoes?

    They’re probably actually good for your feet as your toes aren’t crowded, but I’m no podiatrist.