Are we really gonna sit here and act like Russia doesn’t do the same governmental meddling in other countries? This is really just global politics 101, and it wasn’t worth invading a country over.

they want the conflict to end

Ukraine wants the conflict to end with its borders intact and the aggressors out of its territory. It has stated this multiple times, just like any other established country would. It shouldn’t have to give up Donbas just for Russia to cease fire for X years and then creep on forward.

If Ukraine truly wanted the conflict to end and just wanted to be bent over by Russia they would send up the white flag. Luckily they won’t; thankfully they’re fighting; hopefully they continue to push back. Just giving Russia free reign over invaded land sets a bad precedence.

Ukraine didn’t invade Russia. Some countries have hostile borders, this isn’t uncommon. Invasions to take over the government isn’t the solution, but Russia has made the bed that they’re gonna lay in. Allowing Russia to take Ukraine sets a dangerous precedence.

I’m not arguing that it hasn’t been a proxy war. Of course, NATO doesn’t want a global superpower to take over another country. It sets a precedence. Just like they(we) wouldn’t want China to freely take over Taiwan.

Sabatoged peace talks? All the peace talks included Russia taking over at least some of Ukraine’s land. At which point, they slowly move their borders, encapsulating Ukraine piece by piece, year by year. Submitting to “Peace Talks” in which Russia is able to take some kind of Ukrainian land is submission to Russia.

Ukraine didn’t invade Russia. Russia should have simply never invaded Ukraine. Ukraine can fight this with whatever they can get from around the world.

Fucking what?

It doesn’t matter what the US supplies Ukraine. It’s Ukraines fight. It’s up to Ukraine to decide to forfeit the fight or to keep fighting.

By your logic we (humanity) should just let any country invade any other country and take over it’s people just because “it’s easier to give in than fight.” Giving in would be for the benefit of the people, right? That’s what you’re saying? Fuck right off.

Russia should not have invaded Ukraine in the first place.

I keep seeing this like Donald Trump is going to eliminate genocide if elected. What a braindead comment.