"As always, we will go to court to challenge illegal policies, but it is equally essential that the public push back, as it did with family separation," one rights advocate said.
These immigrant haters are so dumb it’s hard to get my head around. Illegals are the modern answer to slavery. They work their ass off for shit wages, pay taxes and get zero government benefits. And these rubes want to crash that system?!
Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?
They think the poorest Americans won’t have a choice. They dont realize theres actually not enough people to fill out all these freshly vacated “opportunities”.
After all, the US legal framework allows prisoners to be used as slaves, does it not? And the beauty of a fascist system is that enemies are so very, very easy to find.
Everyone will find out again what Georgia and Arizona learned and then forgot that it isn’t that there isn’t enough people, it’s that White folks are snowflakes that can’t handle the hard ass work.
I think you misunderstand the plan. See, a good portion of other jobs will be taken by robots, offshore help, and AI. This leads to firing those employees at those companies where the jobs were taken over, and since there is no UBI and the available jobs will have massive competition, the people will have to take those jobs, be thrown in prison, or be homeless and persecuted (possibly executed) by authorities.
And if they succeed in cementing the Christian theocracy they can control them through religion. They only want freedom for themselves to subjugate everyone else.
“Before you say anything, just hear me out. There’s like tons of prisons everywhere, so what if we march the prisoners at gunpoint to work the fields, for free?” ~ Trump administration, probably
This will be the main test of whether Trumpism rules or capital rules. The rich people love Republican tax cuts and deregulation, which was the main product of his first term (coincidentally everything the rich didn’t like failed), but going after cheap immigrant labor or taxing their foreign sweat shops is going to stir up some behind the scenes conflict. Voters are stupid (e.g., “did Biden drop out” searches), they’ll be surprised when the leopards eat their face, the rich people are well aware that the leopards are dangerous and hope that their leopard control devices can get them through unscathed with an even greater piece of the pie.
was speaking with a colleague who lives near Padre - he said he had family members that felt, ‘we’re legal, we’ll be fine, they’ll just get rid of the newcomers’
they don’t understand this is not a new thing and is racially driven, not truly an immigration issue.
I worked with a Mexican Trump supporter. He hated illegal immigrants because he immigrated legally and he was pissed they got away with it the “easy way”.
Mine is: My guy…Pedro hiking through the desert with nothing but half a jug of water and the clothes on his back is not the enemy. The suits shipping labor overseas and still employing undocumented immigrant labor here create this situation and hurting some poor immigrant/refugee seeker doesn’t change anything about that. Punch up not down
Had this conversation with my stepmom. She is complaining that peaches cost $1 each. She thinks this is too expensive and that the cost will go down now. I’m quietly kind of amazed that she thinks that she’ll even find a peach that didn’t rot on the ground for less than $10 or whatever they will cost once the labor goes up. I didn’t say anything to her about it because it just doesn’t matter anymore. It is pointless even to converse about any topic. We experience separate realities. She believes happy days are finally here, and I just don’t care if she sees another peach ever again in her lifetime. Whatever happens to the peaches is her fault.
Isn’t that funny… people who SHOULD be smarter than that… people who don’t stand outside in the rain and drown from staring at the sky… people who can string two fucking sentences together can’t see that any fucking economic policy the new regime is going to implement is going to do anything but send prices through the roof?
I hope I’m being Mr. Dooms-and-glooms… but fuck all…
Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?
Yes, yes they do. They’ll cheer the new federal child labor laws that allow for it and the increased prison population that will be forced to work the fields
This defense of not deporting people just highlights our issues with labor. This acknowledges that underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system.
I am against the deportation of these people but I would not justify it by justifying the system that is trying to under value all of our labor.
underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system
It is if we want to continue our current standard of living. It’s either that or stomp the capitalists at the top of these corporations. Which do you think will actually happen?
It is if we want to continue our current standard of living
That is what the capitalist at the top say to all of us. This is the inherit problem with this argument.
If a standard of living requires people to suffer then are we right to have that standard of living. Especially since it isn’t like we can’t all have a decent standard but the rich elites want more and more wealth. They are the problem but instead we want to fool ourselves into thinking that staying in the middle class is something that is sustainable. Unless you can guarantee that you are going to enter the over valued class then you are more likely to enter the under valued class.
Also I really shouldn’t have to present it this way, we should be able to recognize that people should be paid what they are worth or at the very least a living wage.
TLDR; Standards of living is not an excuse to have slavery with extra steps
I think it’s about terrorizing their workforces. Construction, ag, meat packing, so many conservative heavy segments of the economy both import enormous amounts of labor, AND, want to legislate the threats to this population.
These immigrant haters are so dumb it’s hard to get my head around. Illegals are the modern answer to slavery. They work their ass off for shit wages, pay taxes and get zero government benefits. And these rubes want to crash that system?!
Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?
That is the plan. The ensuing chaos will reduce immigrants to second class almost-citizens who will work for even less.
They’ll agree to pay much higher rent to a landlord so they don’t rat them out to ICE.
They think the poorest Americans won’t have a choice. They dont realize theres actually not enough people to fill out all these freshly vacated “opportunities”.
Here’s how I think this will pan out:
Step 1: Mass deportation
Step 2: Mass incarceration
Step 3: Work camps
After all, the US legal framework allows prisoners to be used as slaves, does it not? And the beauty of a fascist system is that enemies are so very, very easy to find.
Incarceration is expensive, be more financially workable to leave the system as is.
It’s only expensive if you care about prisoners’ human rights
Everyone will find out again what Georgia and Arizona learned and then forgot that it isn’t that there isn’t enough people, it’s that White folks are snowflakes that can’t handle the hard ass work.
Can you give me a list of other white people traits so I will know what to think of any I encounter?
Just look at what happened the farms after Brexit. Lol. That will tell you all you need to know.
Sit down this is going to take a minute, kid.
No, they don’t realize why their strawberry packages are $2.
You are right, and OP is right.
I think you misunderstand the plan. See, a good portion of other jobs will be taken by robots, offshore help, and AI. This leads to firing those employees at those companies where the jobs were taken over, and since there is no UBI and the available jobs will have massive competition, the people will have to take those jobs, be thrown in prison, or be homeless and persecuted (possibly executed) by authorities.
Thrown into private prisons then forced to work in those farm fields as a way for the private prison industry to make more profits.
Sadly, yeah. I fully expect that. Uuuuugh.
Nope, what you said is exactly what I think
Ah! I misinterpreted what you wrote. Sorry about that.
Ugh, I really hope it doesn’t turn into that at all.
Its going to. This isn’t going away. The Rubes are back with a vengeance abd they’re cementing their rule.
And if they succeed in cementing the Christian theocracy they can control them through religion. They only want freedom for themselves to subjugate everyone else.
“Before you say anything, just hear me out. There’s like tons of prisons everywhere, so what if we march the prisoners at gunpoint to work the fields, for free?” ~ Trump administration, probably
100% I think a lot of people don’t realize that prisons are modern slavery. Need more slave labor? Send protesters to the gulag.
This will be the main test of whether Trumpism rules or capital rules. The rich people love Republican tax cuts and deregulation, which was the main product of his first term (coincidentally everything the rich didn’t like failed), but going after cheap immigrant labor or taxing their foreign sweat shops is going to stir up some behind the scenes conflict. Voters are stupid (e.g., “did Biden drop out” searches), they’ll be surprised when the leopards eat their face, the rich people are well aware that the leopards are dangerous and hope that their leopard control devices can get them through unscathed with an even greater piece of the pie.
Maybe they fight amongst themselves over it, wasting time and running down the clock?
Maybe some people join conservative online forums and fan those flames?? Hobbling destruction is always good.
The part that absolutely baffles me is that latinos shifted heavily to vote for Trump, for potentially the deportation of their own family members.
was speaking with a colleague who lives near Padre - he said he had family members that felt, ‘we’re legal, we’ll be fine, they’ll just get rid of the newcomers’
they don’t understand this is not a new thing and is racially driven, not truly an immigration issue.
Low information voters are Republican mana.
We told them the leopard was right fucking there and that it loves eating faces. They didn’t believe us.
Oh well. 🤷
I worked with a Mexican Trump supporter. He hated illegal immigrants because he immigrated legally and he was pissed they got away with it the “easy way”.
My question to that petty AF dude is, “so what? Can you mind your own fucking business, or are you a sniveling removed?”
Mine is: My guy…Pedro hiking through the desert with nothing but half a jug of water and the clothes on his back is not the enemy. The suits shipping labor overseas and still employing undocumented immigrant labor here create this situation and hurting some poor immigrant/refugee seeker doesn’t change anything about that. Punch up not down
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Had this conversation with my stepmom. She is complaining that peaches cost $1 each. She thinks this is too expensive and that the cost will go down now. I’m quietly kind of amazed that she thinks that she’ll even find a peach that didn’t rot on the ground for less than $10 or whatever they will cost once the labor goes up. I didn’t say anything to her about it because it just doesn’t matter anymore. It is pointless even to converse about any topic. We experience separate realities. She believes happy days are finally here, and I just don’t care if she sees another peach ever again in her lifetime. Whatever happens to the peaches is her fault.
If she watches Faux or listens to hate radio, it’s going to be impossible to talk to them.
I consider people that let hate radio and Faux take a dump in their brain daily more or less zombies on any politically related topic.
Isn’t that funny… people who SHOULD be smarter than that… people who don’t stand outside in the rain and drown from staring at the sky… people who can string two fucking sentences together can’t see that any fucking economic policy the new regime is going to implement is going to do anything but send prices through the roof?
I hope I’m being Mr. Dooms-and-glooms… but fuck all…
You should have slapped her.
Yes, yes they do. They’ll cheer the new federal child labor laws that allow for it and the increased prison population that will be forced to work the fields
This defense of not deporting people just highlights our issues with labor. This acknowledges that underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system.
I am against the deportation of these people but I would not justify it by justifying the system that is trying to under value all of our labor.
It is if we want to continue our current standard of living. It’s either that or stomp the capitalists at the top of these corporations. Which do you think will actually happen?
That is what the capitalist at the top say to all of us. This is the inherit problem with this argument.
If a standard of living requires people to suffer then are we right to have that standard of living. Especially since it isn’t like we can’t all have a decent standard but the rich elites want more and more wealth. They are the problem but instead we want to fool ourselves into thinking that staying in the middle class is something that is sustainable. Unless you can guarantee that you are going to enter the over valued class then you are more likely to enter the under valued class.
Also I really shouldn’t have to present it this way, we should be able to recognize that people should be paid what they are worth or at the very least a living wage.
TLDR; Standards of living is not an excuse to have slavery with extra steps
I think it’s about terrorizing their workforces. Construction, ag, meat packing, so many conservative heavy segments of the economy both import enormous amounts of labor, AND, want to legislate the threats to this population.