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And for any Muslims living in that area? Well, I guess they just didn’t pray hard enough. Skill issue, really.
Ohh that’s just god’s will. Those heavily injured survivor? That’s god’s given challenge. Those survived unharmed? That’s god’s protection. I live in muslim majority country, and that’s basically every time there’s a disaster, comment will varied depend on the area.
Allah’s will ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe their sin was living in a Kafir country and not moving to an Islamic one. (if asked by hardcore Muslims)
They were a sacrifice or trial or something.
I’ve already heard some Nationalist Christians (Nat-Cs) going on about the same thing, just because they “weren’t a Christian nation”
It’s never limited to one religion, and it’s usually the abrahamic ones that are the worst.
This has been a growing thing for awhile. I’ve been an audio engineer for 16 years. It’s common for audio engineers to work in churches for our first 10+ years because it’s stable work in an inherently difficult industry to get started in. I amplify things for a living, but I draw the line at hate speech, so I’ve always left church gigs after they do hate speech, so I’ve worked at a lot of churches… They used to put on a big show of forced compassion for victims of extreme weather events. The last three churches I worked at shifted to the “well if they would’ve worshiped the TRUE god, they probably would’ve lived” shit during demented don’s first term. I haven’t taken another church gig since the industry bounced back from covid and never will. Church people are horrible.
I worked the sound board for my parents church for the better part of a decade as a teenager into early 20s.
When I left after a guest pastor was allowed to do a sermon on how we should all hate lgbt groups and minorities because “God put us in a position of power over them for a reason” I swapped a bunch of cables around, turned every dial to max, and left important cables unplugged and mixed with similar looking cables.
I denied doing anything when my parents brought it up, but since I didn’t do anything illegal like breaking equipment I wasn’t worried about it.
I guess they tried to fix it themselves, which caused issues with the board and ended up replacing most of the sound system anyway before the end of the year while spending millions of dollars on church expansion instead of helping the community (which they claimed for years that they were doing despite straight up telling homeless people attending services they needed to leave)
Hero
despite straight up telling homeless people attending services they needed to leave
Holy hell, if christ were real he would have such stern words for them on judgement day. It would go something along the lines of “Depart from me, for I never knew you.”
What you did was pretty based though.
if christ were real he would have such stern words for them on judgement day
Or he’d say something about homeless dogs not deserving bread. I don’t understand why anyone glazes Jesus, he was a delusional narcissist and a massive hypocrite.
That was a metaphor for why he shouldn’t have to heal the Greek woman, who then ended up convincing him that he was wrong and should heal her anyway. If he was a delusional narcissist he would have doubled down on never being wrong or changing his mind about anything ever. Narcissists don’t say “Hey actually yeah, you’re right and I was wrong. Here you go.”
Bear in mind, the Greeks had previously conquered the region and were viewed as basically settler-colonialists there at the time. It would be like a French person in Algiers begging a local Algerian community leader for free handouts
If he was a delusional narcissist he would have doubled down on never being wrong or changing his mind about anything ever. Narcissists don’t say “Hey actually yeah, you’re right and I was wrong. Here you go.”
Did he ever admit to not being god? Did you miss all the sermons about how he, Jesus, is the only path to salvation? He even let himself get killed for it. Psycho shit.
That stuff is mostly editorialized later by the people who wrote the books with various agendas. In the Book of Matthew at least, he does very little claiming to be god or the only path to salvation.
It’s more like “You religious hypocrites and rich fucks better stop being such goddamn assholes and start actually taking care of people or so help me I swear I will incinerate you.”
Paraphrasing, of course.
To everyone else he’s like “Y’all are alright, just take care of each other and stop being so damn forlorn all the time.”
And yeah he let himself be a martyr. I guess he took his pacifism seriously, or maybe he didn’t want his followers to all get slaughtered if they tried fighting for him. It’s hard to say exactly, but I don’t think “He got beaten, insulted, and killed by the entrenched powers because he wouldn’t stop making them look like the self-centered and greedy idiots that they are” is a very good argument for “actually he was a psycho narcissist who never knew when to stop.”
Holy hell, if christ were real he would have such stern words for them on judgement day. It would go something along the lines of “Depart from me, for I never knew you.”
I mean… I don’t believe he was a faith healer, or at least, not legitimately one that actually healed shit. I don’t believe he’s the son of god, or that he did anything miraculous.
And I have no reason to believe any of that.
So, let me ask this: What reason to I have to believe he wasn’t a charlatan getting rich off the people around him- including the destitute that gave everything to be healed? One would will also notice that most of his closest disciples were in fact successful businessmen. And that he preferred to hang around rich-people’s homes.
He never collected payment or received money, for one thing. He literally told rich people to sell what they have and give to the poor. If you were to analyze him politically through a modern lens, he would be either a socialist or a communist. He doesn’t need supernatural powers for that to be true.
You understand he gave the same greedy-ass command to the poor and desperate, right?
That’s how his cult worked. You get hooked with fake-ass miracles. You’d move out of your home, sell all your shit and give all your money to the cult.
That is, in point of fact, how they work to enrich the cult’s leadership.the rich guy didn’t walk away because he was a greedy rich guy. He walked away because he saw it for what it was: a grift.
They didn’t work to “enrich their leadership” until centuries later.
Early on, it was about sharing all you have and owning everything in common. Which, funny enough, is exactly how communism claims to work.
I kind of understand these pseudo Christian American nationalists to be so far gone they’d immediately think that’s not Jesus. He’s not white enough and says progressive things.
Yeah, they’d call him a commie and a hippy and they’d chase him away and say he’s a danger to their children.
It reminds me of the metaphor where a guy shows up to his own dinner party in rough travel garments and no one recognizes him so he kicks them all out and invites random people off the street instead.
Or like the whole “When did we see you and not minister to you?” part.
I’m not religious anymore and I don’t really believe in anything, but it’s still pretty clear to me (and always has been) that jesus was nothing like the typical american christian fundie evangelical types portray him as and that those people are all hypocrites. So it still annoys me when people look at those people as examples and try to paint that as the epitome of what christianity was supposed to be from the start. Like, it had clearly been co-opted and distorted over the millennia since it started and people just act like what we see today is somehow its truest and most essential form. It’s a bit ridiculous.
“Judgement Day”, when Christ promises to come back and murder all non-believers and torture them for all eternity; He claims He was GOD during the great flood, too.
You don’t know any of this, do you?
He doesn’t claim to murder/torture non-believers, but religious hypocrites and financial oligarchs (merchants) who refused to help the less fortunate.
It’s not that different from revolutionaries today saying they’ll solve the billionaire problems with guillotines.
He claims He was GOD during the great flood, too.
Where does he do that?
I was raised to be Christian, but someone screwed up and taught me to care about others instead of teaching me that God wants me to profit from their suffering. I think because of that I could never look at it the way they do.
During one of the times that Haiti was the “focus of God’s wrath”, I said that it seemed more like a consequence of our godlessness rather than theirs.
If God can let innocent people die when we care about them, why do we assume God is punishing the people who die that we don’t care about. Maybe God is taking the people we abuse away from us. Maybe the lesson we should be taking is that we should do more to stop poverty and illness and suffering rather than patting ourselves on the back for being lucky in our birth.
Of course, I don’t actually believe in God, so I don’t make those arguments. However, those would be the arguments I’d make if I did believe.
Yeah. Abrahamic religions, followed really nearly by Hinduism.
Never heard of Zoroastrians or Shintoists saying shit like that
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Did they not pray hard enough or what?
These are the same people that tell me that me getting repeatedly raped by my female, alcoholic, bipolar caregiver when I was a child, is actually a blessing from God.
Don’t be silly, women can’t rape people.
/s because people actually believe this shit.
Damn, I get hate for this even from many atheists. They think I am being misogynist but I do believe any gender can rape anyone.
This fact was one of the most brutal challenges to overcome in my healing. When I started to be able to talk about what had happened to me… Almost universally the answer/response would be “that couldn’t have happened”, “you’re making this up”, “you’re just angry at your mother”, etc. it re-traumatized me very badly and it took a long time to get over this & to be able to assert myself.
Tbf, allah wasn’t doing shit here either.
Why did they translate every word from Arabic to English except for “Allah”, which they transliterated?
Probably to differentiate which specific god they mean?
Presumably they don’t realize that Christians, Jews and Muslims all pray to the same God that Moses prayed to, just in different ways.
Using the Arabic name can still differentiate which general flavour of that shared delusion they mean
A specific language does not specify which flavor of God they mean. Do you think that Spanish Christians and Dutch Christians have different flavors of gods because one says Dios and the other says Hot? Arab Christians say Allah, you know. I think you are confusing language with religion.
No, but using one language and then interjecting a word or a phrase in a different language implies some intent in choosing that word. It might be a technical term, or there might be a contextual reason to use that other language.
For instance, historians talking about Ancient Greece may choose to use the term polis instead of, say, city-state or some other English term, because it carries specific nuances of meaning relevant to understanding how the members of that polis thought about the city, the land and the people making up that polis.
If you’re talking about historical European swords and someone mentions a Messer, that’s usually not just someone randomly using the German word for “knife” but rather someone referring to a type of single-edged swords.
In that same vein, using the Arabic word instead of god suggests that I mean some god that is particularly associated with Arabic. Even if it’s not the only possibility, it’s most likely that I’m referring to the god of Islam.
Allah must not be confused by other names
Hey this is kind of testable. We could run data analytics to see which higher powers people are praying to, cross-reference that with natural disaster occurrences and narrow down to find out which is the one and true!
My hypothesis is that no member of any major religion would like the results that come out. 😎
Finding God : A Scientific Approach
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Those are the kindest, most wonderful people. That anyone would disparage them in death like this is just horrifying.
Who was it? Was this part of the disaster in Nepal? I can’t really tell much from the pixels
Yes, these are the Himalayan people of Tibet, India and Nepal. They are the sweetest people. It’s not fair that they have to pay the price for our destruction of the atmosphere.
Plenty of disasters that impacted mostly Christian’s can be easily pointed out
Ah but they were not true Scotsmen.
Very easy to find someone to get mad at on the Internet. And, in the modern state of social media, 9 times out of 10 it’s just a bot account fishing for human reactions.
Found the bot
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As progressive as all the other large organised religions, when averaged over time.
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Not relevant, but… Sure?
Religious nationalists aren’t generally playing with a full deck, but im not sure kink shaming is the play, you do you though.
The emojis are compelling though, so perhaps relevance isn’t required?
It’s absolutely relevant - because no one was trying to argue that Christianity is progressive. There is a concerted effort from terminally online folks trying to suggest that Islam is progressive.
Muslims, Christians, Jews, all believe in the same rotten core, and revel in the murder and torture of non-believers.
People and their obsession with finding pattern and meaning.
I thought Nepal was Hindu
Nepal is a secular country. It was a hindu nation, and still is hindu majority. But most new generation are secular-hindu, as in hindu culture but not religious. Similar to how someone might celebrate Christmas but not do religious things associated with it
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I’m not debating the origin. If you’re buying a bunch of gifts, wrapping it in, putting them under a tree, you’re technically celebrating Christmas.
If you have some other celebrations or gatherings on the same day, then yeah it’s not Christmas
Ok. But in the context of what is being discussed is what you’re saying helpful or did you just want to show the class how smart you are?
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Which other religions currently practice Christmas?
Better yet which culture isn’t borrowing heavily from the ones who came before them?
Which religions great flood was the real one, which version of saturnalia or Yule is the right one?
So, to be clear, you celebrate the winter solstice and the birthday of Sol Invictus?
Upvoted because I liked the image, then switched to downvote when I saw your post title. Come on, man.
Depends wether they meant “all gods” are the same or “all religious people are the same.
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clinically insane
well, not clinically insane, because psychiatrists make an exception for religious people. Magical thinking is considered a hallmark of mental illness, unless it’s part of established religious practice.
“I’ve been praying for a new fridge, I’m sure Jesus/Allah/Ganesha will provide!” -> healthy, normal thought
“I’ve been chanting to the spirit of Michael Faraday - who dwells in my basement - for a new fridge” -> crazy loon requiring immediate incarcerationI am sorry to say but either you don’t know what your talking about or you are referencing some really bad psychiatrist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_delusion
I am not a doctor but i do have experience in this field.
Humans being religious is considered normal. Just like having bias and lying to yourself and holding multiple opinions that are incompatible with eachother are all completely normal behaviours.
Wether someone worships a known deity or a made up one or a celebrity does not actually matter in a clinical context.
Believing that a devine being will grant you a fridge, is a red flag. Regardless of who that devine being is but its still not a big deal.
The following up question is, which would be “and what will you do if a year from now you still don’t have a fridge?”
If you answer that is evidence that you are punished and should have sacrificed your first born or flagging yourself -> incarcerated regardless of deity.
If you say that the deity must have had more pressing matters, you don’t expect your prayers to be priority but will continue to pray nonetheless… thats fine.
The benign parts come along with other parts that do hurt people by not allowing their full humanity, and blame supernatural for real world problems that we can improve, but not if blamed on supernatural. Some say they are skeptics, but that’s not true. Real skeptics are like Sagan and his kit to detect baloney. They are the opposite and really need the truth in his books. Once we know how to live better but some still subject innocent people to the unhealthy ways, it’s inhumane. Half the population in some countries are still unable to ever self-actualize. Countless geniuses to help solve our problems, kept from their potential and freedom as all humans deserve.
Climate refugee crisis requires mass cooperation, but as long as people are indoctrinated to dig in deeper to supernatural and other unfalsifiable trenches, tribalism, it won’t happen in time, and the suffering will be worse than it could have been. Greedy company profits drives a lot of the issues and part of the high-control system problem, but lots of people can’t wait for the end to their suffering, with a supernatural reward that doesn’t exist. The systems were to benefit those with the wealth and power, in this one existence, the one chance to actually experience the cosmos as conscious stardust.
I agree that many people are like this but i don’t think religion perse is the culpit.
Lack of education and lack of individual freedom maybe.
Plenty of religious people are involved in activism, science and improving society… But those are not the people to rub their religion in your face.
The religious people i know in my social circle, do not visit a church, do not wear religious symbols, do not talk about their religion unless asked… and are genuinely good, smart people open minded people that are fun to discuss philosophy with and are respectful of all others.
Naturally my social cirlce is biased to be people i like, usually not jerks. But its clear to me that “religion” is not the source of evil.
They simply have faith that something bigger then them has made them for a reason that they trust is good. It can’t be disproven so as a philosophy its as fair as anything else.
I think religious doctrine is harmful though where people are told what to think, but thats still not “all the same”
“religion” is not the source of evil.
Evil is a subjective concept that can’t really be pinned down, but you don’t have to look far to find recent cases of abhorrent behavior carried out in the name of religion. It shouldn’t be to surprising when religious people believe that they are “god’s favored people” and everyone else is going to end up in the fires of hell for eternity.
not “all the same”
It is a bit simplistic to say all religions are the same. I’m not sure what religion you’re thinking of, but there are “peaceful ones” like Buddhism or Jainism. For whatever reason all the Jewish religions - Islam, Christianity and the OG Judaism itself - seem to bring out the worst in humanity. It’s maybe not unreasonable to say all the Jewish religions are as bad as each other.
