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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlM to Inventing Reality@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago

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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlM to Inventing Reality@lemmy.ml · 3 days ago
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    I’m in latin america rn and there’s BYD cars driving around!!! gasp

    This is an oppression you won’t find in north america.

    /s

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      I saw such an array of Chinese cars in Ecuador last month, they’re GREAAAAAAAAT. Seriously awesome cars…I also so so many little rebadged Chevy econobox cars too

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    We didn’t support all those dictators so you could just walk in here and take it with your industry and infrastructure projects

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      i dunno about this; the election interference for the last few years makes it clear that they can’t vote their way out of this like we can’t.

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    Anyone who suggests that China isn’t doing everything that America is doing but 10x worse is a Tankie who hates Freedom and is probably a Brainwashed Wumao Bot.

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      Did China send people to teach fascists kill squads how to terrorize populations? Did they teach them that systematically raping nuns is a good way to cow a populace? Because the United States did that. What’s 10 times worse than that?

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        They’re being sarcastic but I like your spirit

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          Doing this kind of sarcasm with a .world handle is a bold move

          • RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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            Yeah I’d have done the same thing if I didn’t recognize their name

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        Labubu dolls

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        Did China send people to teach fascists kill squads

        More the reverse, historically speaking. But from the perspective of a fascist nation, that’s bad.

        If anything, the most damning indictment of the modern Chinese state is its willingness to play footsie with fascist governments, the United States included.

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      Very intelligent and informed comment. Remember that time China kidnapped Maduro 10x? Me neither

    • 🍉 DrRedOctopus 🐙🍉@lemmy.world
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      I’m under no illusion that china has imperialist tendencies. but it is dishonest to say they are 10X worse than the US.

      How many military bases china has overseas? how many dictatorial coups did it back? how many military invasions?

      this year alone US just kidnapped a head of state and murdered another.

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        I’m under no illusion that china has imperialist tendencies.

        What gives you that idea? Trade is not imperialist.

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          Trade is not imperialist.

          Wealth, success, and technological advancement are all imperialist.

          And that’s good when a predominantly white western-aligned nation is doing it, because imperialism brings Liberty, Whiskey, AND Sexy. But it is extremely bad when a predominantly East Asian, Middle Eastern, African, or American Native nation is doing it, because… well… let me just bust out a copy of Rudyard Kipling’s “White Man’s Burden” to explain… just give me a moment…

          But you can’t just be outside the NATO block and do free trade. That’s going to give people the impression that the US/EU metropoles aren’t the center of the financial universe. Also, it makes sanctioning countries into insolvency and starving the populations by embargoing their agricultural trade damned near impossible.

          If you’re doing trade in a way that inhibits US control over the globe, it’s super imperialist and must be stopped at all costs.

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            Please use an /s for sarcasm in the future because it helps ppl with different mental or english language issues.

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          You think so? Trade can very much be imperialistic. Particularly if you use it in certain ways. Were the Dutch not imperialistic when they spread their tentacles all over the east? The british?

          (Cowbee defending the east India company was not on my bingo card today)

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            I didn’t defend the East India Company in any way, this is supremely dishonest. I said what China is doing is completely different from the Dutch and British, who super-exploited the global south for super profits (and still do).

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            There’s a lot of heavy lifting the phrase “particularly if you use it in certain ways” is doing for you. Can you connect how the Dutch and British super-exploited and underdeveloped the global south to China’s present trade with other global south countries, or is the fact that China is a rising economy itself evidence of imperialism in your view?

            Edit: I didn’t defend the East India Company in any way, this is intensely dishonest.

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            Under certain circumstances it can be, particularly if it’s an imperial core nation (US, UK, EU, AUS, Canada), trading with a poorer nation. It is not the case with trade from most global south nations, including China.

            Is China Imperialist?

            • Debunking the claim that “China is Imperialist”
            • The demeanor of Chinese leaders (Xi Jinping) vs Western leaders (Nancy Pelosi) towards African nations. One of the reasons why African nations favor China instead of the West. Full video here
            • An African leader on the hypocrisy of those saying China is imperialist.
            • China africa panel: if you want actual infrastructure, you go to China, not the west.
            • Is China really imperialist? What’s the difference between what Europe did to Africa, and what China is doing?
            • Five imperialist myths about China’s role in Africa.
            • Evo Morales - Why China and Russia aren’t imperialist, but the US is.
            • US air force veteran Bill Brown breaks down the history of anti-chinese propaganda, and why China is not colonialist like the west.
            • Yanis Varoufakis on China’s foreign policy dealings with Greece and Africa.
            • Vijay Prashad and Qiao Collective - Is China imperializing Africa?
            • Danny Haiphong from BlackAgenaReport interview with Anya Parampil from thegrayzone: on the new cold war, and a myriad of lies about China.
            • The Belt and Road Initiative: the antithesis of Colonialism.
            • The war on China : and geopolitical significance of the belt and road initiative.
            • China has forgiven over $10B in debt, over half to Cuba, but also including > 20 African nations, Pakistan, and Cambodia.
            • After covid, China suspends debt repayment for 77 countries, promises > $2B USD and medical supplies as aid to help developing countries fight covid.
            • President Xi pledges coronavirus vaccine to Africa first, helps fund African CDC headquarters.
            • The chinese debt trap is a myth.
            • China writes off $6M in debt to rwanda, provides another $60M in grants.
            • China forgives over $78M in Cameroon debt.
            • China writes off $36m Mozambican debt.
            • China writes off substantial amount of Angola debt.
            • After a group of Guangdong landlords evicted a group of Africans, the CPC arrested them, apologized to the African Union, paid for hotels for the migrants, passed a series of anti-discrimination laws, and spent weeks going to all the restaurants, landlords, and taxis to warn them of the law.
            • Nato’s new enemy: the CPC.
            • The western media’s China hysteria.
            • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.worksBanned from community
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              Hey hey, look at all those client nations endorsing investment! Do we have any imperialism-debunking from Mongolia? Tibet? Vietnam or other border states?

              The assumption that you seem to be using is that imperialism happens far away, that empire is non-contiguous.

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                Tibet

                God i wish this person were still here to tell me what they think happened in Tibet

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            That’s like saying baking a pie for a neighbor is the same as feeding your slaves

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              Saying the Dutch used trade to spread imperialism is?

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                Because they didn’t use trade to facilitate imperialism, they used military force to establish a relationship of brutal imperial domination which they then leveraged into extortionate trade “deals”. The imperialist war happens first, then comes the imperialist “trade” built on top of it. Trade cannot be imperialist without the threat of military force, and imperialism is never, ever seperate from that. By the same token, trade without coercion cannot be imperialist. The mafia doesn’t use their perfectly legitimate businesses to start doing crimes, the crimes are what got them the perfectly legitimate businesses. Furthermore, somebody else actually running a legitimate business does not then make that person a mobster

                “Trade” is such a vague term that says nothing about the situation the exchange is taking place in, when “looting, mass murder, trafficking and extortion” are all better descriptors for the kind of “trade” the Dutch and other Europeans visited on the world, which bears no resemblance to China’s way of dealing with other countries.

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            Seeing all these .ml accounts arguing that trade cannot be imperialistic is amazing. And here I thought that’s what capitalism was for.

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              The argument isn’t that trade cannot be imperialist, the argument is that trade is not always imperialist. This isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

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          Removed by mod

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            Deeply anti-materialist and racist.

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      You need to work on your bait game. My suggest would be using more buzzwords with a hint of fascist rhetoric.

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      My penis is small.

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        I think it’s in jest.

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    They’re calling it “Operation Chinese Condor”, and nobody has ever done anything like it before

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    It doesn’t always have to be militarily and violent. It could just be economically, which China is actually doing, not only in South America, but in Africa and the Middle East, too. It’s not necessarily a bad thing either. I know back in my country (Iraq) Chinese goods are very affordable for their currency. US and European goods on the other hand, are just pure fire to touch.

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      Not the domination by affordable goods!

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        My brothers actually don’t mind that at all. My older brother bought a brand new Chinese truck for $3500. You can’t beat that compared to the thousands you’d have to pay for any American truck 😄

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      How many hundred thousand people China kidnaped killed and dissapeared "economically in South America? “Domination” in US terms means massacres. I don’t know of a single death orchestrated by China around here.

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    I’ll abstain from commenting of what I want for USA during this year of completely bullshit over Latin America. I don’t want to be banned.

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    ha, i wish

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    Could someone tell me the actual number? I am sure it’s higher than 100, but lower than 100 000. Right??

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    If there were a coup, it won’t be quiet.

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