A fraternal society that played a part in the enlightenment era and elitism before the 21 century, but has since gone downhill and only exists as a gathering for elderly people.
Historically, Freemasons played a role in both right-wing and left-wing movements, depending on the time and place. In the Paris Commune, 25 of the 79 elected Commune members were masons. We have some lads in their 30s, but it’s definitely an old group on average. And time-in-the-order correlates with seniority so old ones often feel respected and that’s nice to have when you are old.
A rogue Masonic church was part of the Italian Gladio and was called Propaganda Due or P2.
I did not know about the Paris Commune part, interesting if it is true. Paris Commune battled the Catholic Church although this does not mean there were not some theists. Although I believe you have to believe in a higher power to be a freemason although you could probably prove me wrong if I am wrong about that. Socialists and Communist are not generally theistic although historically this was less the case with socialists and social democrats.
You are right they were a regular lodge and were declared “rogue” by Masonic higher officials after their activities were found out about.
Although I believe you have to believe in a higher power to be a freemason although you could probably prove me wrong if I am wrong about that.
Sortof wrong. It’s a relic of the past, and the order maintains traditions. In practice nobody cares about your religion in the modern world, including in Freemasonry. I said, “We interview people who’ve applied to join the order to make sure they’re suitable” and when we’re doing that we are obliged by the rules to say, “Do you believe in god yes or no” but the scrutineers say it with a bored look like something they have to say.
The Paris Commune lasted too short a time, and its internal development was too hampered by the mortal struggle it had to engage in against the Versailles reaction to allow it at least to formulate, if not apply, its socialist program theoretically. We must realize, too, that the majority of the members of the Commune were not socialists, properly speaking. If they appeared to be, it was because they were drawn in this direction by the irresistible course of events, the nature of the situation, the necessities of their position, rather than through personal conviction. The socialists were a tiny minority – there were, at most, fourteen or fifteen of them; the rest were Jacobins.[…]
I think this text is interesting because it shows how influential the socialists were at the time and how important was swaying other non-socislist strata to their side. We claim today the Paris commune as the first socialist revolution, but it was never commanded by a socialist majority.
Broadly right lol
Historically, Freemasons played a role in both right-wing and left-wing movements, depending on the time and place. In the Paris Commune, 25 of the 79 elected Commune members were masons. We have some lads in their 30s, but it’s definitely an old group on average. And time-in-the-order correlates with seniority so old ones often feel respected and that’s nice to have when you are old.
I believe P2 was a regular lodge not rogue.
I did not know about the Paris Commune part, interesting if it is true. Paris Commune battled the Catholic Church although this does not mean there were not some theists. Although I believe you have to believe in a higher power to be a freemason although you could probably prove me wrong if I am wrong about that. Socialists and Communist are not generally theistic although historically this was less the case with socialists and social democrats.
You are right they were a regular lodge and were declared “rogue” by Masonic higher officials after their activities were found out about.
Sortof wrong. It’s a relic of the past, and the order maintains traditions. In practice nobody cares about your religion in the modern world, including in Freemasonry. I said, “We interview people who’ve applied to join the order to make sure they’re suitable” and when we’re doing that we are obliged by the rules to say, “Do you believe in god yes or no” but the scrutineers say it with a bored look like something they have to say.
Citing Bakunin,
I think this text is interesting because it shows how influential the socialists were at the time and how important was swaying other non-socislist strata to their side. We claim today the Paris commune as the first socialist revolution, but it was never commanded by a socialist majority.