How are you supposed to decide where to get care for emergent conditions? Where is the dividing line between “just book a clinic visit”, “head into urgent care when you get a chance”, and “go inmediately to the ER”?
So this is a question I’ve always struggled with and it makes me feel very dumb especially because I literally am a EMR. This feels like something I should know. But at the same time I have also called to book a clinic visit before and had the scheduler tell me to go to the ER immediately only for it to wind up being nothing.
Certain things are obvious of course. Like if I need stitches or there is other major trauma then I know to go to the ER. If it is something like a concerning infection then I know urgent care can sort me out. For a skin rash that’s probably a clinic visit. If urgent care is closed and it can’t wait then default to the ER. But there are also the issues where I genuinely don’t know on what side of the line they should fall. This is especially an issue for things that have been going on for a while which I know could be severe but almost certainly aren’t.
For example (not asking for medical advice) I’ve been having repeated extended periods of heart palpitations for the past 2 weeks. At first I just chalked it up to screwing up my anxiety med schedule while I was on vacation because my med situation does cause heart palpitations if I screw it up. So I didn’t think much of it at first but now I’ve been back on my meds properly for 2 weeks with no change. So, that’s cardiac symptoms which in a patient would make me tell them to immediately go to the ER just to be safe. But at the same time it’s been going on for 2 weeks and it’s probably just some vitamin deficiency or something so it probably wouldn’t kill me to wait a week for a clinic appointment (no walk in clinic here). Do I split the difference and go to urgent care? It’s like schrodingers medical issue, it’s both the worlds most benign thing and a symptom of immediate death until someone looks into it, so how do I know who should open that schrodingers box?
It seems like there has to be some easy dividing line on how to know which one to go to that I just don’t know.
Edit: In USA, because that probably matters here.
If it’s new shortness of breath or chest pain , particularly the crushing variety that feels like something is sitting on you, do not pass go, do not collect money, straight to the ER. Same goes for sudden severe lower back or abdominal pain or sudden heavy bleeding out of your orifices (more than a super maxi-pad full every two hours if you’ve got that genital configuration). There’s a few other little things like a continuous erection more than 4 hours. Also you should learn the signs of a stroke (Google “stroke” FAST). If you’re not sure, look up the local ERs number (not 911) and ask for the “triage nurse” and ask them.
If it’s been going on / steadily getting worse for over a month it can (probably) wait one more week if that’s all it will take to see your primary care physician or see a specialist.
If it’s sudden but you know exactly what you did like if you pulled a muscle or sprained a joint at work or cut or burned your arm while cooking (I specify arm, if you cut or burn your hand, face, or foot, measure how big it is and call that triage nurse, and if it’s your genitals just go to the ER) or if you forgot to pee after sex or did it with somebody sketchy and now it hurts to pee, go to the urgent care. Or if your petri dish of a preschooler brought home something and you’re not sure if it’s strep but you almost definitely need a note for work. Or if you have an old cut but now it’s looking puffy and oozing weird liquids (but it’s still localized to that one little area, you don’t have a fever or anything). If you can look at it and already have a general laymans idea of what they’re gonna do to it, go to the urgent care.
Stitches don’t necessarily mean ER.
Guess it really depends on your urgent care.
For the most part, I’ll go to my urgent care unless I know damn sure ER is needed (the urgent care is in my network). It’s no farther away, (ER is a couple blocks away), and urgent care is less out of pocket. If they determine ER is required, they’ll say so (and recommend ambulance if they feel it’s necessary).
Basically the triage nurse will assess and make a determination.
I’ve had family go there for cardiovascular issues (and be treated and sent home). They’re fully equipped to stabilize someone if they need to go elsewhere. They have a full complement of equipment, including radiology (everything but CAT).
There are a range of tachycardia/arrythmia that you can have since birth that may not show up until you’re older, or get triggered by certain meds or nutrient deficiencies (things like potassium).
I wouldn’t ignore this for a minute longer. Maybe just walk into urgent care and ask if they’re equipped to check it out (basically EKG). I know my urgent care is.
If they aren’t equipped, then go to ER.
But please don’t sit on this any longer. Some arrythmias are fairly benign, but if it’s happening repeatedly, it will eventually cause tissue damage that you don’t really fully recover from. Plus you don’t know if yours is benign (and most docs would say arrythmia is never benign, even if it isn’t killing you in the moment).
For anything heart related (including shortness of breath/lightheadedness) I’d go ER. If I had a nickel for every time some ‘normal and fit’ <30 year old fell over dead at a half marathon I’d go buy a beer. I mean it’s probably and hopefully nothing but if you do have some very serious condition and your heart stops every second counts by a lot, and a lot of times it’s basically punching the Konami Code, you’re otherwise normal and a confluence of things just line up precisely and boom. And with anxiety and all it wouldn’t hurt to just get a professional to rule that stuff out
Yeah, and that’s exactly what I’d tell a patient. But it’s just anoying when it’s me and I know that it’s almost certainly going to be something dumb like a potasium or iodine deficiency or something like that. Like I logically know you’re right though, this does fit into the “cardiac symptom” = “go to ER” formula.
Clinics are when you can call ahead to make sure they can handle your issue that can’t wait for a GP appointment. Your burning genitals or deep cut will be seen at their earliest convenience. They can be used for GP services if you do not have a regular care provider.
Hospitals are for when you were referred there, have an on-going issue, or no clinics are open. You are not in urgent need of medical intervention, or are man enough to die in the waiting room with your 104° fever and almond smelling cut you got from a fence two weeks ago that has dark veins radiating from it because “it’s nothing, just a cut”. You can use them for typical GP services if you don’t have a regular care provider and many offer clinic services.
GPs are for regular checkups or visits for something you are concerned about.
ER is for when dispatch calls ahead for you, severe pain, severe injury, unconsciousness, or OD. Expect to wait for hours if you are conscious and not leaking, because others are and you aren’t the main character today.
Thank you for answering the base question and not giving medical advice.
or are man enough to die in the waiting room with your 104° fever and almond smelling cut you got from a fence two weeks ago that has dark veins radiating from it because “it’s nothing, just a cut”.
How do you know my dad?
You got the right idea. Heart problems are a bit of a mystery until you can get an EKG done. Urgent cares aren’t usually equipped to do more that that. If it’s ongoing, maybe look for a cardiologist. But if you’re having any sudden shortness of breath then you might need to head to the ER.
It’s just the palpitations and I’m willing to bet that it’s going to just wind up being something stupid like a potasium deficiency or something. But thats a good point, I could just go get an EKG done and rule out an impending heart attack then make a clinic appointment for this issue. It just sucks having to pay for two visits.
Also it’s just anoying because this isn’t the first time I’ve been stuck in the department decision paralysis. The last time I wound up going to urgent care and then immediatly having to go to the ER for a damn gall stone that had aparently been an issue for months by that point. Once again having to pay for 2 visits when I could have just gone directly to the ER.
It comes down to what’s open, how dangerous the condition is, and who was outfitted to do what.
If you’re having legitimate trouble breathing like you are filling your lungs and it’s not enough, or you can’t get enough air in your lungs for any reason, straight to the ER.
Unknown irregular heartbeat or chest pain that doesn’t go away with antacid, go to the ER.
Urgent cares near me generally have x-ray equipment. They’re capable of a few stitches, they can handle prescriptions for emergent illness. If you walk in there with a f’dup heart rhythm or breathing problems they’re going to call you an ambulance.
Scheduling something with your primary care is for all your other long-term needs. Preventative maintenance, blood tests, they can probably do an EKG and they should be the ones managing your long-term medications.
If you have something that feels urgent and the urgent care isn’t open the ER is always an option.
If you have insurance, they typically have a hotline you can ask about stuff like this.
Ooh, that’s a good idea. I’ll have to go check on that. Thank you. I knew our local nurse line was dead but I didn’t consider that my insurance may have one.
Your insurance should have a nurse line. If not, your company likely has a employee assistance program (EAP) that might be able triage.
If it’s bugging you not knowing and you don’t want to wait until your clinic appt, then yes, urgent care would be able to at least tell you if it’s an emergency cardiac event and send you on to the ER, or if it’s something like afib and it can wait to follow up with an office visit.
That’s a good point, when in doubt urgent care can at least rule out anything immediately concerning.
This is why healthcare in the US sucks.
- A wealthy person will have a 24-hour hotline to connect with a nurse or doctor (immediately or through return call) with access to their medical history who will help them figure out what to do.
- A moderately well-off person will have a web/phone interface where they can send a message and someone will return their message in a day or two.
- Everyone else has to make a gamble: do I spent money to try to figure this out? Do I risk spending money and then it turns out to be nothing? But what if it’s something and it’s more expensive later on? What will my insurance pay for? How do I find someone that’s reliable, but also inexpensive? All of this causes stress which makes things worse.
In your case, think of anyone who knows your medical history and who you can ask questions of. The doctor who prescribed your anxiety medications - can you call/message them and ask them? The pharmacist who dispenses the meds - can you go/call and ask a question about your medications? Some pharmacies also have nurse / clinic stations, too. If you have any kind of medical insurance, check out their web page - a lot of them have set up tele-medicine offerings recently. If your job has an HR department, this is actually one case they can be helpful; an HR person in my company helped me figure out what health resources I had access to, based on my plan. Finally, if you haven’t been getting annual checkups, you should start thinking of doing so (especially as you get older), and ask them how you can contact them to ask questions like this.
Good luck fam, I hope it turns out OK for you.
Yeah, my area used to have a really good public nurse line where you could just call in, tell them what was going on, and based on your medical history on file they could roughly triage you and tell you where to go. But I imagine keeping it running was cutting into the hospital exec yacht fund so they cut that service.
I could always message my primary care doc but normally I just catch one of the nurses and they just tell me to make an appointment. Considering my primary care doc is always booked solid 6 months out I almost never bother going that route unless it is for an anual exam or something. My meds are just through a chain pharmacy so the pharmacist won’t know much about my particular situation. Someone else had mentioned insurance offering telemedicine too so I will definitely be looking into that one. I also happen to be on the medical response team at work so I am intimately aware of what our offerings are for healthcare options (practically nothing). Also I am 100% on the regular checkup train. I will ask my doc if there is something to fill the place of the old nurse line at my next checkup.
Depending what county you live in, etc. There are nurse hotlines that you can call. That said I’ve never used them.
We used to have one in my area but they stoped doing it a while back I’m assuming just because it wasn’t making anyone any money. Can’t just do something solely for the public good after all.
Here in BC you can call 811 to talk to a nurse and get advice on things like this, maybe your state has something similar?
We used to have a nurse line but they stopped doing that like 5 years ago probably because it wasn’t lining anyones pockets.
If you can drive, drive to the hospital. Ask the person at the front desk what they would recommend. If they recommend the ER, then at least you didnt have to make that decision. That being said, I do not nor have I ever worked for a hospital, but ive been a patient quite a bit.
Unfortunately for me the nearest real hospital (the local one is just a malpractice factory) is a 45 min trip 1 way so I can’t just swing in in person too easily. They used to have a nurse line you could call and ask questions like that but they got rid of that like 5 years ago.
