“The point of the paper is to formally show that we anthropomorphise too readily."

Let me tell you about a Microsoft AI researcher […] who recently spent quite a lot of time considering whether the legendary Microsoft real time strategy game Age of Empires II is conscious, and built a basic neural network within the video game using digital goats to prove his point. […]

De Wynter built an LLM within AoEII using goats. “The point of the paper is to formally show that we anthropomorphise too readily, and that sometimes the claims we make with regards to LLM capabilities are too strong,” he told 404 Media. “It’s not an easy task, given that ‘human-like attributes’ is a bit of an abstract term.”

  • Lumidaub@feddit.org
    3·
    1 month ago

    Sorry, I don’t follow. I’m talking about the definition of those words.

    conciousness

    Not talking about consciousness.

    can sentience exist apart from perception of environment?

    Sentience IS perception of environment.

    how is sense and reaction an indicator such a system carries within it a theory of mind?

    I don’t know and I’m not saying it is.

    we do not know what it is we are talking about.

    Do we not? That’s precisely why it’s important to make that difference. Sentience is relatively easy to define and can be assigned with a lot of confidence whereas sapience isn’t and can’t.

    • derek@infosec.pub
      1·
      2 days ago

      Can you be sentient without first being concious? If not, and I’d argue not, then in speaking of sentience we are also necessarily speaking of conciousness.

      Your assertion that sentience is perception of environment is a category error. You’ve mistaken casually identifying sentience in others with sentience itself.

      I’ve fetched the definitions for all three terms and quoted them below.

      Merriam-Webster

      consciousness noun 1 a: the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself b: the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact c: awareness especially: concern for some social or political cause

      The organization aims to raise the political consciousness of teenagers. 2: the state of being characterized by sensation, emotion, volition, and thought : mind 3: the totality of conscious states of an individual 4 : the normal state of conscious life regained consciousness 5 : the upper level of mental life of which the person is aware as contrasted with unconscious processes

      sentience noun 1: a sentient quality or state 2: feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought

      by extension…

      sentient adjective 1: capable of sensing or feeling : conscious of or responsive to the sensations of seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, or smelling 2: aware 3: finely sensitive in perception or feeling

      sapient adjective : possessing or expressing great sagacity

      Sentience is the capacity of sensing or feeling. That’s an important distinction.

      how is sense and reaction an indicator such a system carries within it a theory of mind?

      I don’t know and I’m not saying it is.

      Then I fail to see the point or intention of your first comment. How are your semantics meant to further the discussion or clarify the reader’s thinking?

      we do not know what it is we are talking about.

      Do we not? That’s precisely why it’s important to make that difference. Sentience is relatively easy to define and can be assigned with a lot of confidence whereas sapience isn’t and can’t.

      If sentience here is taken literally to mean “physical sense ability” in the broadest sense then, yeah, sure. That’s not helpful though. It’s too reductive to be relevant to the topic at hand. Within philosophy of mind sentience is often referring to the ability or capacity for feeling (as in experience (joy, grief, etc)). It’s a complex quality of some thinking minds and may well be a spectrum of ability whose boundaries are difficult to define.