• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      What is the UN human rights chief supposed to do about it?

      He did all that was in his power:

      Volker Türk told an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council there must be an independent and transparent investigation of the two attacks in Lebanon on Tuesday and Wednesday where these devices exploded, reportedly killing 37 people and injuring more than 3,400 others.

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        They could all say they are going to disband if Israel doesn’t stop. Why even have the UN if they can’t do anything

        Or better yet expel isreal

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          First of all, that’s also not in his power.

          Secondly, how would disbanding the part of the UN that investigates human rights abuses help Palestinians?

          Edit: Wait, you think the entire UN should be disbanded over this?

          The UN is the only reason we haven’t had a nuclear war yet. Otherwise, countries wouldn’t have a neutral world forum.

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              That’s not what the UN is for… it’s not a military force… it’s a round table for nations to work their differences out via words and not nuking each other.

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                People like to criticise the UN but the alternative to having the UN is having no UN. We’d be fucked

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                  We need something more than the UN that has real power to stop Israel’s terror and genocide. The UN can fuck off and prevent it’s theoretical events elsewhere.

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          How would you react if the UN becomes the world government, so that they would finally have the power to stop wars and hunger that people always complain about?

          Precisely.

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            I may be ok with that depending on the governing structure they came up with for a world government. Like would it be a democracy? Socialism? It really depends lol

            But right now it seems very ineffective if America or Israel does something horrible they can just veto or whatever and nothing gets done.

            As an American myself I would love it if the UN actually had powers to keep my government in line. they sure as hell don’t listen to the will of the people.

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    Honestly, the real question to me is how many innocent people were maimed, injured, or killed in this attack. This is incredibly indiscriminate, even though the idea is that only the bad guys are holding the pages or walkie-talkies, but if they’re in a cafe they’re not the only ones getting hurt. Think of it as attaching an explosive to a thousand Hezbollah people, and then exploding them as they wander through a city. That’s the true crime, the potentially disproportionate massacre of innocent civilians.

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      Honestly, the real question to me is how many innocent people were maimed, injured, or killed in this attack.

      Quite a bit fewer than 0.1% of the individual detonations appear to have harmed anyone except the Hezbollah operative assigned to the pager, so this doesn’t actually appear to be a question. The attack was extremely discriminate and targeted.

      but if they’re in a cafe they’re not the only ones getting hurt.

      In every case in which one of these went off in a cafe, the intended target was the only one hurt.

      That’s the true crime, the potentially disproportionate massacre of innocent civilians.

      But that isn’t what happened. The opposite happened.

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              A collateral civilian death during a military action has never been considered “murder.” It can’t be, since it’s unintentional.

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                There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die and how many more people must suffer under poverty in the name of the great American empire?

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                  There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die

                  None, if Israel’s enemies surrender and end the war. That’s how war works.

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    In one sense this is much worse, and more terrifying than the run-of-the-mill IED’s used by militant groups. Having to be suspicious of everything around you would be maddening. It’s indiscriminate mass psychological warfare, where the collateral damage goes way beyond the people actually carrying the devices.

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      Don’t you just have to watch out for your Hezbollah-supplied devices?

      Also, fat chance they could pull the same thing off again

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      Many were not used by the military and the explosions happened during the day in uncontrolled circumstances. Many civilians got hurt.