1. Money is a form of control, if you control a countries economy you effectively control the country.

Spending money someplace doesn’t “control the economy”, stupid.

1. Hamas received direct Israeli funding

No, it did not.

1. My point is that war economics inherently benefits the American Empire

Proxy war with Israel directly benefits the Iranian empire.

Israel exists as an outpost for American troops to exhert power in the region.

There are fewer US troops stationed in Israel than stationed in Lincoln, Nebraska.

The idea that Israel wants peace is absurd, the people maybe but its clear that the colonial ambitions of the Israeli government

There’s no such thing. Israel is not a colony - Palestine is a colony and Arabs are colonizers.

Before Hezbollah Israeli money was constantly being pumped into Lebanon.

You said “hold”, like they were in control of the place.

Now you’re just saying they invested there.

Also once again you’re missing my point, both Hamas and Hezbollah were created to be enemies.

But your point is wrong - they were created to be allies. Allies of Iran, which is who created them. That’s why Hezbollah promotes Shia Islam in Lebanon.

Im addition you’re still ignorent to the economics of war and foreign interests.

Waving terms like “war economics” and “foreign interests” without meaning anything by them doesn’t help your argument; Iran faces the same incentives for war against Israel that anyone else would.

It matters not what Israel wants when its nothing but an extension of the American Empire.

If Israel is nothing but an American vassal state, the vanguard of our imperial ambitions in the Middle East (lol, who cares about that removed desert) then why have we placed Israel under arms embargo literally every time they’ve been attacked by Arabs?

Have you forgotten that Iran was once an Israeli ally, or that Israel once held Lebanon as a puppet?

When did Israel “hold” Lebanon?

Hamas was made in large part due to Israel interference in Gazas politics as was the PLO.

Were either Hamas or the PLO allies of Israel? If the PLO was the ally of Israel then why did they kill the entire Israeli Olympics team in Munich?

Peace was never the goal of Israel

Peace has always been the goal of Israel. The elimination of all Jews has always been the goal of Hezbollah and Hamas and they’ll die for it.

Not Israel nor the Israeli people will ever know peace as long as Israel exists as an extension of the American Empire.

We’ll know peace because everyone like you, everyone who won’t accept a Jewish state in the Middle East, will fight until you die. And you’ll lose.

Peace comes at the end of war.

There has been quite a lot of collateral civilian casualties, how many more people must die

None, if Israel’s enemies surrender and end the war. That’s how war works.

A collateral civilian death during a military action has never been considered “murder.” It can’t be, since it’s unintentional.

I can’t have sympathy for murderous antisemites

My point is they had a vested interest in the scapegoat excuse. The market is a mild embarassment compared to a possible containment breach.

Ok, and I asked you why that matters. And you haven’t said.

Also if for example a CDC or USAMRIID site was ‘only’ 8 km away from an outbreak of a disease they were studying, it would trigger a full on investigation and full genetic comparison.

Well, but no, it doesn’t. For instance the CDC’s Enteric Diseases lab is in Atlanta, Georgia; it hosts the largest tissue collection of foodborne disease isolates in the world. If you were ever hospitalized for listeriosis in the United States, a sample of your disease isolate is probably located in a freezer there.

And also people periodically get food poisoning from Atlanta restaurants. About 12 a year, let’s say.

So every one of those food poisoning cases happens within 8 km of the largest food poisoning lab in the United States. Do you know how often they investigate whether the isolate leaked from the CDC lab?

Literally never. Not ever. Because there’s no reason to, because people getting a disease near where the disease is studied is not statistically significant in any way.

It’s good actually that the mail doesn’t censor based on viewpoint

Honestly, the real question to me is how many innocent people were maimed, injured, or killed in this attack.

Quite a bit fewer than 0.1% of the individual detonations appear to have harmed anyone except the Hezbollah operative assigned to the pager, so this doesn’t actually appear to be a question. The attack was extremely discriminate and targeted.

but if they’re in a cafe they’re not the only ones getting hurt.

In every case in which one of these went off in a cafe, the intended target was the only one hurt.

That’s the true crime, the potentially disproportionate massacre of innocent civilians.

But that isn’t what happened. The opposite happened.

Equally embarrassing? Doubtful.

Why does it have to be equally embarrassing? It just has to be embarrassing enough that they’d take steps to conceal it. Which they did. It doesn’t have to be the most embarrassing situation, just one of the ones that would spur them to act.

One is a market which can be blamed on illegal activity even after being shut down and ‘little’ people arrested.

But they did shut it down and they did arrest people and they even seized and incinerated every animal at the market without taking samples or even identifying and logging the species.

On the other hand they didn’t shut down WIV, or really do anything to it at all.

but the lab’s proximity to the outbreak is incredibly suspect.

It’s 8km away, across a river.

The lab location and research done means there is a lot of potential incentive for the Chinese government, the lab and even researchers in the field to not have it be a lab leak…

They also have incentive for the origin not to be a live animal market that they very publicly had claimed to have already shut down.

It’s equally embarrassing either way, so the embarrassment proves nothing.

I mean you’ve seen people with COVID by now; did they look much different?