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The one question I ask people that always grinds their gears: “if you were born in India, where 80% follow Hinduism, do you still think you would have been Christian, or just believe whatever your parents taught you?”
“Of course I’d be Christian, that is the only true religion!”
You can’t logic people out of something they didn’t logic themselves into. When you’re indoctrinated your whole life into bypassing higher brain functions asking them to think isn’t going to work.
A lot of mythology originates from someone’s dad or older brother or uncle messing with them.
Let’s examine the myth that you’ll find a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow. There isn’t an end to a rainbow, someone was messing with a kid and it got passed on. It’s like sending the new kid at work to go down to the basement or go ask for a long weight.
In the printing business back in the day, it was a paper stretcher. Or a jar of halftone dots.
When I worked at a pizza place it was the ‘dough patch kit’
When I worked on airplanes it was exhaust samples and the id-10-t form.
When I worked with fiber optic cables it was the fiber stretcher.
When I worked as a mechanic it was blinker fluid. When I worked as a chef it was the bucket of steam.
You gotta have the check as well
“The boss sent me for striped paint”
“Oh you need to go back and ask him if he wants horizontal or vertical”
They’re not insane. They’re just desperate for answers to life’s great questions. They’re afraid of death and can’t cope with life. They’re affraid to face reality that this is just what it is and death is just death. This is their way of dealing with all that, hiding reality behind a fairy tale to give it some artificial mean, because “life cannot be just an accident. We…I am too important for that”
It’s not simply insanity, they don’t have an affliction, it’s a very conscious, well thought out decision to run and hide. It’s, at best, a fault of emotion, not a fault of mental capabilities.
I would say cowardice is an affliction. Also that the percentage of religious people who have thought this out and made a conscious decision to choose fantasy over reality is tiny; the majority (at least from my experience of Christianity in America) don’t even have the brain function to consider fantasy vs reality due to lifelong indoctrination.
Exactly this. Some people are afraid of the idea that the universe is indifferent, void of meaning besides that which we create, and that when you die your neurological processes stop and your identity and consciousness wink away, leaving the you who lived your life as nothing but memories of those still living. I basically explained this to a girl once who asked about my beliefs and she said, that’s scary I don’t like it
I grew up in a religious household. My parents made me go to church and youth group until about 16-17 when I pushed back (still had to go to church but not youth group).
I was always more skeptical of it all. Even as a kid I remember having these “wtf, that doesn’t make sense. So dinosaurs were…on the ark?”
Anyway, after a couple decades of separation from it all you realize how absolutely bonkers religion is. The amount of mental backflips you need to make for it to make even a little sense is borderline insanity.
It’s crazy how otherwise very intelligent people just…go with it and never challenge it. Then will fight with you if you challenge it.
Yeah, there’s lots of people thinking 🤔 we’ll ok something’s are just alliterate proverbs. But no! Literally they guy writing the bible part you read is supposed to be saying what you understand…two dynos of the same species were dunked in the boat. Either that, or only the species mentioned exist, which is not true unless they evolved rapidly…a rhino fucked a giraffe so we got the regular unicorn 🦄?
But that’s just the bible religions. Okay so if you had to cut all the bullshit, then you could just narrow it down to one commandment “love each other”. Or maybe, how about we don’t gotta go to a place since the flying guy is everywhere. You can just talk to your flying guy!
They already don’t ask the flying guy for rain. What’s a stretch of not kneeling and standing and kneeling and standing once again like total removeds? Okay and doing the rituals every single time the same? And the music. A god would be tired of that shit by the first week.
Yeah, they are nuts.
hoo boy isn’t it nice not having to make all those excuses anymore?
Dinosaurs would have been extinct for millions of years, even in the time of Noah. It makes sense that he wouldn’t put them on the Ark.
you’ve not had the dubious distinction of talking to a Young Earth Creationist, have you?
They think dinosaur bones are planted by satan specifically to tempt and cause doubt. They also think the earth is merely a few thousand years old.
Oh I have lol
It’s funny that evolution would help solve some ark mysteries.
Like how did Noah fit one of every animal on the ark?
Well there weren’t that many different types of animals when Noah existed and the ones he saved evolved to get all the animals we know today.
The difference between a religion and a cult is scale, that’s all.
There’s a famous quote in sociolinguistics: “A language is a dialect with an army and navy.” I think the same thing applies here. A religion is just a cult with an army and a navy, because then they can enforce it onto others.
Yes, I think scale is typically what determines strength of control upon individuals. Cults are smaller and thus any charismatic cult leader can exert greater control on his small flock. The larger your religion gets though, the less likely the leader himself can micromanage and exert control, thus leading to the delegation of responsibilities and power.
Isn’t that essentially how the megachurches operate? Like a micro cult within the umbrella of a larger, broadly accepted cult? A religious fiefdom, if you will.
Not so sure about that. Like populism in politics, religion gives you simple answers and justifications for complex situations and easily comprehensible explanations for complex phenomenoms.
In a world that is getting harder and harder to grasp, people get lost in the big picture. Things like globalization, climate change, foreign affairs, our financial system etc. are all hard to understand for a big chunk if not the entirety of the population.
Dictators, monarchs as well as religion all provide easy guidance: Do X. Don’t do Y. You are the good guys, people who are/do/think Z are the baddies.
No individual thinking required. No boring facts, no discussions, just faith/loyalty/patriotism that counters every argument and allows you to feel superior and put the blame on someone else.
I think in situations of high social inequality or disruptive events (war, famine, financial crisis, pandamic), there will always be a high demand for religion and political extemism.
“No, bro, trust me, the omnipotent and omniscient creator and ruler of the Universe cares deeply about what happens on a ball of rock comprising a rounding error of a rounding error of a rounding error of fifty more rounding errors of that Universe as it specifically pertains to a species of hairless ape having gay sex, eating shellfish and owls, mixing fabrics, grabbing their husbands’ genitals, and building unsafe roofs. ‘Did I miss my clozapine injection?’ Why do you ask?”
*not that we are advocating for the eating of owls.
Right?
Nah, I’m vegan, and I don’t know how I would get my protein without eating owls. Necessary sacrifices sometimes need to be made.
Well if you say some magic words to a cracker it’ll turn into an edible dead guy so that’s another option.
There is definitely bubble wrapped around theists in their own religion. Ask an average people what they know about a given religion and they would either say they don’t know or would give a grossly inaccurate response. I came from a pre-dominantly Catholic culture, and my parents don’t even know what makes Protestants different to Catholics. I had to tell them that Protestants simply don’t believe in the authority of the pope. And then there was a pastor telling me to “just believe” in just about anything, after I stated I am agnostic atheist. He mentioned everyone believes in a religion, like how Muslims believe in Muhammad, or Buddhists believe Buddha is a god. And I was like, no, Buddhists don’t believe Buddha is a god-- he simply was a human being believed to have attained enlightenment.
It is many of those instances I realised people are generally ignorant and have pre- and misconceptions. Not only that, even way before the idea of post-modernism, people generally want to stick with information that comforts them, whether intentional or not.
When the DSM lists religious belief as a mental illness, I’ll grudgingly begin to respect psychology.
If you think about it, we are all born atheist.
If you weren’t raised to eat meat and saw hundreds of millions or billions of people suffering and dying of heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, and cancer, you’d know instantly.
But Jesus existed…
But he did not actually…
Did some carpenter dude called Jesus exist? Sure, I once had a dude called Jesus install some cabinets at my home. Did the religious character described in (among other works of fiction) the Bible exist? No he did not, or at least he existed as much as other historical fiction characters.
It’s very hard if not impossible to figure out if stuff written down thousands of years ago was fact or fiction. Even persons that seem to be reliable sources from that time have had works of fiction or embellishments mixed in. Almost all we know about thousands of years ago is because people wrote shit down and the amount that actually survived is very little.
The sources you claim are from well past the time Jesus was alive, so it’s questionable how reliable sources they are. I also would not trust anything written down by cult followers about the cult leader, this is basic common sense.
And if you’re going to link Wikipedia, you can at least read the article instead of just the blerb.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_for_the_historical_Jesus#Criticism
I did read it. I chose to ignore the evidence written in the Bible of his existence and went to the writings of Flavius Josephus and Tacitus. And it wasn’t a very long time past his death. Both less than a hundred years. Did you read it?
And with the same logical of not having physical historical evidence, then Diogenes of Synope didn’t exist either
Less than a hundred years? That may seem like a small time compared to the thousands of years that have passed in the meantime. But we are talking about human beings, who at that time didn’t live more than 60 years. Imagine writing something that happened a lifetime ago and have people take it for fact.
Josephus wrote about Jesus about 60 years after the death of Jesus. And his works have been transcribed by Christians hundreds of years later, so it isn’t clear what was original and what wasn’t. The Christians most certainly made errors, embellishments and changes to the story. So even if there is a kernel of truth there, it’s impossible to know what was real now and most experts agree it’s fiction.
Tacitus wrote about Jesus about 80 years after the death of Jesus. Most experts think Tacitus wrote about Christians and what they believe, not as a description of what actually happened.
It seems to me you are under the impression of sudden media like today. It took a long time for widespread media at the time. They didn’t have social media, nor print presses. Every thing had to done by hand. Spreading the information within that time seems very accurate for the time. And Josephus died at 63. Not a big gap, but still a gap compared to what you’re saying. He was born around 37 AD (4 years after the death of Jesus). You’re telling me that he couldn’t have got real explanations of it through his life? If we’re going to say that, then all the people born a few years after WW1 are lying
