What is everyone’s opinion on “family cows”? Like a family who has a cow on their small farm that they take care of and use for milk. I’m not vegan (working on vegetarian first, pls no bulli) but I’m not looking to argue, just curious.
There’s some good vegan cheeses now, too. Not yet centuries-of-tradition levels of variety+refinement, but it can compete with your average sliced cheese. You might need to try a few brands, though…
In order to milk a cow you need to get the cow pregnant once every year. Doesn’t matter if it’s a factory farm or mom and pop, you still have to get the cow pregnant to get her to produce milk and that isn’t the cows choice. Personally i drink milk but i can see their point in regards to the cow having no choice in the matter.
And to add to that, getting her pregnant naturally means she with give birth to a veal. This veal will be sold off shortly after birth and either killed or raised and then killed. There’s no milk without continuous death of cows.
I actually did not know that so thanks for the information. My knowledge ended at that (apparently false?) quote from Meet The Parents about anything being milkable. And thanks for not attacking me - I think I’m immoral, too, but I’m fighting 30+ years of a carnivorous diet.
I cut milk out of my diet years ago. I failed my first attempt at veganism so I’m taking it one step at a time now and it’s been working for me…slowly, but progress is progress. If that lab-made cheese I read about lives up to the hype, I think 5 years is realistic for me.
It’s hard. I have a lot of respect for people who went cold turkey (no pun intended) on meat/dairy.
Yeah, that’s what this is about. People generally don’t feel comfortable drinking other people’s milk (non-sexually), so why should people drink cows’ milk, when there are alternatives to soften your muesli?
In regards to milk, because of the process for regular product (repetitive pregnancy) it’s been, at least here in America, cornered into the industrial market. Also, raw milk hatred (which arguably only exists due to industrialization) has further forced the industrialization of milk. This situation you refer to is extremely rare. The small farms I’ve seen in my life don’t keep dairy cows when they do keep cows. My opinion on family cows is that it’s totally fine. Then again, I believe in seizing the means of production (which is what family cows strike me as) and I’m an omnivore.
What is everyone’s opinion on “family cows”? Like a family who has a cow on their small farm that they take care of and use for milk. I’m not vegan (working on vegetarian first, pls no bulli) but I’m not looking to argue, just curious.
I’m not vegan but animal milk was the easiest thing to transition to plant-based, for me anyway.
If I have the option it’s always oat or almond so I’d agree. Cheese and bacon are by far the hardest for me to give up.
There’s some good vegan cheeses now, too. Not yet centuries-of-tradition levels of variety+refinement, but it can compete with your average sliced cheese. You might need to try a few brands, though…
In order to milk a cow you need to get the cow pregnant once every year. Doesn’t matter if it’s a factory farm or mom and pop, you still have to get the cow pregnant to get her to produce milk and that isn’t the cows choice. Personally i drink milk but i can see their point in regards to the cow having no choice in the matter.
And to add to that, getting her pregnant naturally means she with give birth to a veal. This veal will be sold off shortly after birth and either killed or raised and then killed. There’s no milk without continuous death of cows.
I actually did not know that so thanks for the information. My knowledge ended at that (apparently false?) quote from Meet The Parents about anything being milkable. And thanks for not attacking me - I think I’m immoral, too, but I’m fighting 30+ years of a carnivorous diet.
I cut milk out of my diet years ago. I failed my first attempt at veganism so I’m taking it one step at a time now and it’s been working for me…slowly, but progress is progress. If that lab-made cheese I read about lives up to the hype, I think 5 years is realistic for me.
It’s hard. I have a lot of respect for people who went cold turkey (no pun intended) on meat/dairy.
Would you milk your dog or cat?
I have nipples Greg, can you milk me?
Yeah, that’s what this is about. People generally don’t feel comfortable drinking other people’s milk (non-sexually), so why should people drink cows’ milk, when there are alternatives to soften your muesli?
In regards to milk, because of the process for regular product (repetitive pregnancy) it’s been, at least here in America, cornered into the industrial market. Also, raw milk hatred (which arguably only exists due to industrialization) has further forced the industrialization of milk. This situation you refer to is extremely rare. The small farms I’ve seen in my life don’t keep dairy cows when they do keep cows. My opinion on family cows is that it’s totally fine. Then again, I believe in seizing the means of production (which is what family cows strike me as) and I’m an omnivore.