Oh, like kill 50 million + citizens through internal war and poor planning.
Take away individual liberties and develop the most insane surveillance culture in the world.
Commit to a slow burn genocide of Muslims.
Pump out more billionaires than the US for the last two years while massively increasing the income gap.
They did raise hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty so you have got to give them that. But then immediately take it away when you learn they are the fourth/fifth largest supplier of arms in the world.
The CIA doesn’t give a shit about Genocide. This has been detailed by Amnesty International and other human rights groups and researchers since the concentration camps began.
invading Iraq twice, bombing Iran, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, bombing Yugoslavia, arming a genocide in Guatemala, invading Afghanistan, invading Vietnam, bombing Cambodia and Laos, funding a genocide in Indonesia, funding a genocide in East Timor, funding a genocide in Gaza
Well, China didn’t invade anyone in the last decade because they’ve already annexed the territories they wanted. It’s not like Uyghurs and Tibetans stopped getting genocided because their territories are already internationally recognised as part of the PRC.
And they do fund multiple conflicts outside of their own country, like the aforementioned invasion of Ukraine.
If that the case let’s look who vote with evil things in the UN it’s a clear record where countries stand. This will put UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Canada, Australia, India, Argentina at the top of the list.
invading Poland, invading Finland, occupying the Baltic states, crushing the Hungarian Revolution, invading Czechoslovakia, invading Afghanistan, arming the Derg regime in Ethiopia, funding proxy wars in Angola and Mozambique, intervening in Moldova, intervening in Tajikistan, bombing Chechnya, invading Georgia, invading Ukraine, funding separatists in the Donbas, bombing Syria, arming militias in Libya, funding mercenaries in the Central African Republic, funding mercenaries in Mali
I am always dubious of people who claim they have nothing against “the people of <country>” just the government. See it doesn’t fit with lived experience.
I get called upon to answer for every crime (real or imagined) of the Chinese government because I’m perceived as Chinese for these reasons:
I’m half-Chinese and my appearance leans very much toward my mother’s side.
I’m resident in China.
I don’t instantly leap up and criticize everything Chinese, nor do I instantly agree with ever criticism of China.
So I’m basically accused of being a Communist Party of China shill (despite, ironically, my not even being permitted to join the Party if I wanted to … which I don’t), being a “brainwashed” Chinese citizen, despite holding a Canadian passport—and never another—for about half a century, and in general treated with contempt and suspicion.
Despite, you know, “nothing against any Chinese”.
So … perhaps you’re the exception to the observed rule? But I won’t be putting myself on the line to test it. I’ve got well over half a century of testing completed.
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I have the perfect parallel, actually. Fundamentalist Christians who babble about “love the sinner, hate the sin”. Their actions constantly belie their pretty words. Same for “love the <insert national citizen>, hate the <nation> government” crowd.
I don’t really know to respond to this. You’re projecting things onto me that I can not defend against without divulging too much about my personal life.
And I also don’t mean to invalidate your experience. I do not doubt that you have gone through that countless times. Nothing I can say can convince you that I’m sincere. And why should it?
But that leaves me in a weird place. Should I have said nothing? Just criticize a government and make no statement on its average citizens? Assume the sentiment will be implicit? I’m not comfortable with such assumptions on the modern internet unfortunately. I’m not happy with the state of things either.
But I strive to form my own opinions and always see the individual. Whether you can recognize or trust that or not I feel I have to go on that path.
I appreciate your input. Even if, or especially because, it led me to think a lot.
Aside from all the politic shit. They tried to end my existence via the enforcement of the One Child Policy. I was the 2nd child in my family, they nearly ended me.
Thank god I got lucky and somehow lived.
Not the user you responded to, but I got a vendetta against PRC, it’s personal.
My mom told me the first hand account of how women would just get forced abortions.
Like there are lots of women that was pregnant with their 2nd unapproved child, then the government found out and they’d force you go get an abortion.
My mom managed to hide me till like month 8 of the pregnancy, then like someone found out but they turned one eye blind and didn’t report it.
I mean I don’t exactly understand the full story either, its not like mom wrote a diary on it.
Basically it was a combination of many factors that lead to me surviving.
There was an issue of jurisdictions, they mostly left it local governments to enforce, mom was from Taishan and she was working in Guangzhou when she had me, and she was supposed to submit a pregnancy test every 3 months and send results back to their hometown. But mom told me she got another woman to take the pregnancy test for her under her name.
So like, the people working for the Guangzhou government didn’t enforce it as harshly because she wasn’t registered in their Hukou.
Perhaps a god exists and they intervened? idk, not really that religious…
I barely lived, and yes there’s a fine, like somewhere in the ¥20000-¥30000 rmb which was a lot in the 2002s.
That’s a strategy but it will inevitably lead to war because the most populous countries will conquer their neighbors to feed their population. So all countries have to promote having children which accelerates the arrival of the conflict.
Ooh, that’s just heading off whataboutism at the pass. That being said I criticize the west all the time without bringing up anyone else so stop strawmaning me
Fuck Russia, fuck Israel, fuck the United States, fuck China.
That is how get all the STIs.
At least I’ll be giving them to someone deserving then.
Sharing is caring, as they say
State transmitted Imperialism.
Wth what did China do
Oh, like kill 50 million + citizens through internal war and poor planning.
Take away individual liberties and develop the most insane surveillance culture in the world.
Commit to a slow burn genocide of Muslims.
Pump out more billionaires than the US for the last two years while massively increasing the income gap.
They did raise hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty so you have got to give them that. But then immediately take it away when you learn they are the fourth/fifth largest supplier of arms in the world.
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Oh look someone who denies the enormous loss of life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/en/document/chronology-mass-killings-during-chinese-cultural-revolution-1966-1976.html
The CIA doesn’t give a shit about Genocide. This has been detailed by Amnesty International and other human rights groups and researchers since the concentration camps began.
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Found the human right’s abuser.
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Says the guy denying human rights abuses.
Taiwan, among other things.
Oh shit did they invade?
Not to my knowledge, but I’m sure they’d like to and don’t recognize Taiwan as separate from China.
Call me crazy, but that doesn’t feel as bad as
Third one is Israel, got lazy.
Well, China didn’t invade anyone in the last decade because they’ve already annexed the territories they wanted. It’s not like Uyghurs and Tibetans stopped getting genocided because their territories are already internationally recognised as part of the PRC.
And they do fund multiple conflicts outside of their own country, like the aforementioned invasion of Ukraine.
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I definitely think you’re right in that there are degrees to the evil these countries are perpetrating on the innocent.
I feel like the OP was just saying fuck X country who does evil, which is far from the complete list, haha.
If that the case let’s look who vote with evil things in the UN it’s a clear record where countries stand. This will put UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Canada, Australia, India, Argentina at the top of the list.
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You got also lazy with Russia. That list should have been as long as the US one
Yeah, they just focus on the countries next to them mostly (and even then there’s been sponsored shit stirring in Africa, too)
Feel free to extend it, I’ll edit the comment. Ideally in a pithy format with a pure focus on foreign interference like the US one.
invading Poland, invading Finland, occupying the Baltic states, crushing the Hungarian Revolution, invading Czechoslovakia, invading Afghanistan, arming the Derg regime in Ethiopia, funding proxy wars in Angola and Mozambique, intervening in Moldova, intervening in Tajikistan, bombing Chechnya, invading Georgia, invading Ukraine, funding separatists in the Donbas, bombing Syria, arming militias in Libya, funding mercenaries in the Central African Republic, funding mercenaries in Mali
is it ok?
It does seem a bit unfair to include them and not India
As an Indian young adult not too invested in politics, may I please learn why and what for?
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As a Canadian, first example that comes to mind is the apparent involvement of a killing in Canada.
But nothing personally against you or any other Indian, same as nothing against any Chinese.
I am always dubious of people who claim they have nothing against “the people of <country>” just the government. See it doesn’t fit with lived experience.
I get called upon to answer for every crime (real or imagined) of the Chinese government because I’m perceived as Chinese for these reasons:
So I’m basically accused of being a Communist Party of China shill (despite, ironically, my not even being permitted to join the Party if I wanted to … which I don’t), being a “brainwashed” Chinese citizen, despite holding a Canadian passport—and never another—for about half a century, and in general treated with contempt and suspicion.
Despite, you know, “nothing against any Chinese”.
So … perhaps you’re the exception to the observed rule? But I won’t be putting myself on the line to test it. I’ve got well over half a century of testing completed.
edited to add
I have the perfect parallel, actually. Fundamentalist Christians who babble about “love the sinner, hate the sin”. Their actions constantly belie their pretty words. Same for “love the <insert national citizen>, hate the <nation> government” crowd.
I don’t really know to respond to this. You’re projecting things onto me that I can not defend against without divulging too much about my personal life.
And I also don’t mean to invalidate your experience. I do not doubt that you have gone through that countless times. Nothing I can say can convince you that I’m sincere. And why should it?
But that leaves me in a weird place. Should I have said nothing? Just criticize a government and make no statement on its average citizens? Assume the sentiment will be implicit? I’m not comfortable with such assumptions on the modern internet unfortunately. I’m not happy with the state of things either.
But I strive to form my own opinions and always see the individual. Whether you can recognize or trust that or not I feel I have to go on that path.
I appreciate your input. Even if, or especially because, it led me to think a lot.
You know I actually thought about that afterwards.
Aside from all the politic shit. They tried to end my existence via the enforcement of the One Child Policy. I was the 2nd child in my family, they nearly ended me.
Thank god I got lucky and somehow lived.
Not the user you responded to, but I got a vendetta against PRC, it’s personal.
I thought the penalty was a fine?
That’s if they don’t catch you.
My mom told me the first hand account of how women would just get forced abortions.
Like there are lots of women that was pregnant with their 2nd unapproved child, then the government found out and they’d force you go get an abortion.
My mom managed to hide me till like month 8 of the pregnancy, then like someone found out but they turned one eye blind and didn’t report it.
I mean I don’t exactly understand the full story either, its not like mom wrote a diary on it.
Basically it was a combination of many factors that lead to me surviving.
There was an issue of jurisdictions, they mostly left it local governments to enforce, mom was from Taishan and she was working in Guangzhou when she had me, and she was supposed to submit a pregnancy test every 3 months and send results back to their hometown. But mom told me she got another woman to take the pregnancy test for her under her name.
So like, the people working for the Guangzhou government didn’t enforce it as harshly because she wasn’t registered in their Hukou.
Perhaps a god exists and they intervened? idk, not really that religious…
I barely lived, and yes there’s a fine, like somewhere in the ¥20000-¥30000 rmb which was a lot in the 2002s.
The west does the same. They don’t call it one child policy but rent.
In your opinion, what would have been the alternative? A bigger population would have made it much more difficult for China to achieve food security.
So by categorically denying my right to existence even though my mom wanted me, its somehow essential to China’s development?
Last I checked, most western countries doesn’t go around snatching women off the streets and performing abortions against their will.
Unless they’re Indigenous.
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How about: Government shouldn’t be able to intervene in family planning
It’s one thing to encourage or discourage births, its a whole other thing to force IUDs, force sterillizarions, forced abortions.
Btw, please don’t take my arguments personal. I like to read your comments on lemmy. I am glad that you got through the system.
So… just a fun day playing Devil’s Advocate, gotcha.
That’s a strategy but it will inevitably lead to war because the most populous countries will conquer their neighbors to feed their population. So all countries have to promote having children which accelerates the arrival of the conflict.
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Imagine asking this with a straight face.
Okay Mr Garrison
Where has China been imperialist in the past 15 years.
Hong Kong
And China was more imperialist than the British Empire?
China’s doing imperialism… in China
Ooo boy you dumb
So you’re saying China treats Hong Kong as an internal colony? I don’t think that’s borne out by the facts but I’m happy to hear your argument.
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People who use liberal as an insult immediately out themselves as untrustworthy pigs to be shot. Thanks for being so quick about it.
Not always around here lol. Here liberal is used to mean not left enough.
Imagine living life with zero nuance like them, must be hellish
Yeah totally impartial to never accept critism of a state, you’re not drinking the Kool aid at all
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Ooh, that’s just heading off whataboutism at the pass. That being said I criticize the west all the time without bringing up anyone else so stop strawmaning me