• humanamerican@lemmy.zip
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    5 days ago

    no utopic visions to be upheld

    Well what’s the point then if there’s no striving for a good alternative?

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          The current world is also a recipe for unmitigated suffering.

          Also, maybe you are not reading the same things into the pretty short explanation as I do: If you believe that there is no chance for a vastly better future, starting a rebellion and atleast trying to keep it going might be the best you can actually accomplish.

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            Things are not nearly as bad right for nearly as many people as they could and would be during a rebellion. If there really is no hope for a better future, then maintaining this shit system “might be the best you can actually accomplish”. But I don’t believe that. A better world is possible and we or our descendants will deliver it.

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      But in opposition to the those, (anarchx) nihilism can be the way for people to go from a passive to an active role in society. Instead of seeing the end of the world (as we know it) as a reason to resign, it motivates to manage atleast a fuck you to the world, however small or big.

      And yes, that might sound like angry teenager stuff. But me, not so much a teen, can atleast resonate with that way more than with other contemporary outlooks on the world.

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        But in opposition to the those, (anarchx) nihilism can be the way for people to go from a passive to an active role in society. Instead of seeing the end of the world (as we know it) as a reason to resign, it motivates to manage atleast a fuck you to the world, however small or big.

        That’s not the same as contributing to a more just human future. The mindset explicitly embraces the idea that there is no worse state possible than the current state of affairs - which the lives of some several billion people might disagree with. “Pure negation” necessarily implies negation of all institutions of current society - and combined with the idea that “There are no demands to be made… no political programs to be followed” it’s not much more than a parody of nihilism taken seriously.

        On top of that, if it was sincere, it would be immediately and violently insurrectionist; if it’s insincere, then it’s just an excuse for any antisocial behavior without regard for consequences.

        And yes, that might sound like angry teenager stuff. But me, not so much a teen, can atleast resonate with that way more than with other contemporary outlooks on the world.

        When I suggest throwing molotovs might not be a bad idea, I do so with the presumption that the people throwing molotovs have demands, a vision, or a political program. The idea that “Society bad, therefore, any attack on society GOOD!” is not only Manichean idiocy, but intuitively repulsive when any of the actual consequences of purposeless and targetless attacks are actually considered.

  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.org
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    Okay but I still want to at least try to make things better even if I can’t 🤷‍♂️

    Like IMO it helps to have a reason for unmitigated hostility towards capitalism, so that when we succeed in destroying it, we have something cool to do with our remaining time. And obviously we shouldn’t let those reasons become prisons, i.e. we need to be vigilant against “anarcho”-hierarchies developing, but that doesn’t mean we should stop trying for a better world 🏴.

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      Yeah but breaking it at least restricts carbon emission such that we’ll all die in 150 years instead of 30-50. God I’m black-pilled

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    I’m so used to seeing the 8-arrow star in association with chaos magic(k), it feels weird to encounter it in other contexts.