If we get good at making it, it will be cheaper than animal meat, and that will get people’s attention

Its a luxury many would not go without

The more we R&D fake meats, plant based or lab grown, the sooner we can achieve this

Well I think you should speak for yourself only because there are people who are currently vegan who do miss aspects of an omnivorous diet. And there are tons more who want to join us but need this stuff in the market before they’ll be ready to make the change. You dont have to put this stuff on your plate for you to uplift it and reduce animal agriculture. Let me repeat, you dont have to want to eat it yourself for you to get really excited that these things exist for your fellow humans.

Taste and texture parody is super easy if you use some real meat in the mix, as Friedrich points out. The tricky part is getting the public to understand this to be a transparent, thoughtful initiative instead of a sneaky profit boosting method. It would be a reducitarian’s dream though.

The inherently smaller investment of calories to produce either “veggie meats” or cultivated meats does mean that if we get the manufacturing process down, we can produce food cheaper than animal farmers ever could, with less land used, with fewer middlemen. All things that our capitalistic overlords desire.

Friedrich gets into that towards the end of the piece. He points out that the total investment into these things is just low. They’ve only gotten a few billion dollars total and thats for both R&D and production. Its hardly enough to get off the ground for a whole new product. Which is exactly where beyond and impossible are, just getting off the ground.

Cultivating meat isnt too bad because its borrowing from an existing field of science, doctors have been growing tissue for surgeries for years. There are life long experts in that. Food imitation is brand new and has to be developed from scratch.

I have confidence that both will succeed with time and funding. Expect that every doubling of production will yield a precipitous drop in price paired with a rise in quality.

Okay but its not just about us. Its about shifting the whole food system. The percent of the population that lives vegan has unfortunately not increased notably in the past 20 years, but so far, the cost & taste competitive meat alternatives have not actually hit much of the market. This new technology is the first thing ever to actually have a shot of swaying your cousin who loves burgers.

I personally did not like mistborn (era 1) nearly as much as most fans. The setting is very grim, very “life is imminently doomed”. Its that way for Elantris as well. I get enough bleakness from reality. Same reason I could barely get through the first Wheel of Time book before dropping that series.

Ive read all of the cosmere at this point. I started with Stormlight archive and Im glad I did, its his strongest writing, and I honestly just think people become better people if they internalize the messages of those books. If you need a shorter starting point, Emperors Soul and Warbreaker are amazing standalones that require no prior knowledge, spoil nothing, and provide context to later developments.

Everyone starts somewhere or nowhere at all. To quote my favorite book, Oathbringer by Brandon Sanderson “the most important step isnt the first, is it? No, it’s the next step, always the next one.”

The most powerful model to communicate, imo, is talking about it as 4 pillars of Capitalism, Patriarchy, White Supremacy, and Colonialism. When education is based on the interweavings of those forms of injustice, it is hard to come to any conclusion other than joining in class solidarity as a piece of the puzzle.

And frankly, I most want to talk to those who are already aware of one or two of these pillars as they are most ready to accept the whole picture. Sure, those people are frustrating, but realistically, they are a fundamental part of the Overton funnel towards the left.

Wait, who is saying no to class solidarity?

So are you suggesting that increasing harm to the governed will liberate them?

the ones in congress are pedophile protectors

Democrats have unanimously voted to release the files every opportunity. The Republicans were the only party to resist the files.

Sounds like your shitty argument requires ignoring reality.

Yeah because there are 2 parties who can win in a first past the post election. The real fight is on which candidate in each party is going to contend for which offices

I mean, it is a reaction to the people saying to the “leftists” saying that the 2 parties are the same and that voting blue is bad. You got me there

They’re among the best parties in the world when it comes to LGBT rights, women’s rights, and climate change, but those things only matter to people who aren’t evil

If the wealthiest intersection on the planet cant even pay lip service to an issue like that, how is anyone going to take the issue seriously? “You must reduce your comfort for the greater good, but the advertisements stay on” is callous and puts one of the least important things above the needs of the many. Its like saying emergency vehicles only on the roads in a snow storm, but then you see an ice cream truck driving around. Clearly, the priorities are not straight.

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