This is about the most recent version of LibreOffice on Windows 10. I can’t speak for other versions.

My daughter worked hard on her social studies essay. I type things in for her because she’s a really bad typist, but she tells me what to write… but I didn’t remember to manually save her social studies essay yesterday, and for some reason the ThinkPad rebooted, LibreOffice crashed and we lost the whole thing… because autosave was not automatically on when I installed it.

No, recovery didn’t work. We just got a blank file.

I rewrote it for her based on the information we had and what I remembered and tried to make it sound like what a 13-year-old would write because it was basically my fault and she did do the work. I did have her sit with me as I wrote it in case she didn’t like something I wrote, but it was sort of cheating. I’m okay with that cheating since I know she worked hard on it.

First, though, I went into the settings and turned on autosave.

I like LibreOffice, but why the hell is that not on automatically? Honestly, I don’t really understand why someone wouldn’t want their documents autosaved, but I’m pretty sure most people would want that.

This isn’t fucking 1993. I shouldn’t have to remember to save a document anymore and it shouldn’t be lost forever because of it.

Like I said, I like LibreOffice. I don’t really want to trust documents to Microsoft or Google. But this was really annoying.

    • seppoenarvi@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      I was going to say we’ve all lost an essay before we learned to routinely save the document. :)

  • regdog@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    That could be a great learning experience. If it’s an important document not only do I save regularily, I also create copies of the file at regular intervals.

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    8 months ago

    Side note : You say she’s a bad typist so you type it for her. But how exactly is she going to learn how to type then?

    Maybe just let her do things poorly and learn

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      8 months ago

      As I told someone else, I let her do it when it isn’t a long essay. With an essay, it would literally take hours.

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        8 months ago

        With an essay, it would literally take hours.

        Ignoring that this would get faster with the practise of typing it themselves:

        How quickly are people writing essays these days? I’m a decently fast typer and it always took me a couple of hours to write a whole essay at that age. Once I was a few years older and was diligent in drafting a really good outline first I’d maybe get it to under a hour at the computer, but the speed of typing was never the bottleneck.

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    8 months ago

    3 take aways from this that I hope you’ll get:

    1. Learn to save often. Sometimes that means 5x in a row just to be sure.
    2. Never just assume the software is going to save you from yourself. Its OK to trust software, but you gotta make sure it does what you expect it to do. In this case, that means either checking those settings when you start out, or making sure the file exists on disk.
    3. Invest in some typing games for your kid so they learn how to type properly and can do their own work! I understand wanting to help your kid succeed, but you can’t do that in the long term without crippling their development.
  • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    I wouldn’t have learned to type if a teacher hadn’t lied to me and told me that I wouldn’t be allowed to go to high school unless I could pass a basic typing test. It enraged me at the time when I found out, but it was one of the kindest things anyone has ever done for me in the long run.

    My mom was like you, well intentioned and getting involved a lot, to my detriment. I’ve never been able to get across to her that I would have been better off as an adult if I’d been allowed to struggle and accept consequences more as a kid. This became extremely apparent to me when I went to boarding school as an older teen, and had to catch up fast to my more self reliant peers. Getting away from people going overboard to help me was the best thing that ever happened to me, and I watched the same pattern play out with a lot of other students who had overly loving parents. The road to hell can be paved with good intentions.

    Typing things for your kid is like reading things for your kid—it is such a fundamental skill that not being forced to reach your potential in it will massively change your life for the worse. My mom was a teacher for over 20 years, and the three biggest factors in success were reading ability, reading comprehension, and typing (as the modern form of writing). None of those skills are going to be obtained with anything other than exposure, practice, and time. You can give someone tools for practicing, but you can’t do the practicing for them.

    I saw in your comments that your daughter has a learning disability, but all of this still stands. She will be judged against her peers as an adult, regardless of her diagnosis, so it’s best to start finding ways to work with it now.

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    8 months ago

    Us older folks automatically hit save every few minutes. But not saving days worth of work is asking for trouble.

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      8 months ago

      I’m feeling old right now, thx

      I even impulsively hit Ctrl+S when writing comments on Lemmy once in a while

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    8 months ago

    While I can understand you wanting autosave on in your situation, I much prefer autosave off because I often open files to see what is in them and do not want to automatically modify them just because I accidentally hit a key and delete it. Automatically changing stuff is a choice you should have to make, not a feature that I have to race to disable.

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    8 months ago

    This is the most classic case of “safety feature makes people unsafe” I’ve ever seen.

    This kind of thing didn’t happen before auto save, because everyone knew to save.

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    8 months ago

    On the other hand… consider if your cat had walked over the keyboard before it rebooted and replaced it all with hhhhgggggggggggggggggggghgf before it auto saved and replaced the document. Would you still be an advocate for auto save?

    It sucks to lose work, but this is clearly a user error.

    • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      It sucks to lose work, but this is clearly a user error.

      Didn’t wanna say it but yeah, 100%.

      Also I was kinda suspicious of the simultaneous claim that the PC randomly restarted and LO crashed. And there’s no recovery file. But that’s probably just me. For all the faults Windows has, failing to catch programs with unsaved work when restarting isn’t one of them I’ve ever experienced.