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    I’m sure the poster pulled these numbers out of their ass. I wonder what the real numbers would be.

    It’s guaranteed that replacing MAGA people with the same kind of immigrants we have today would reduce crime, but how much?

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      Yeah, that’s my reaction too. I’m guessing over 50% is likely true. The immigrants that make it here in the vast majority of cases is literally because they were hard workers and they came to work. Vs these violent racist shitbags who support trump.

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      agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it’s obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with “trust me bro”.

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        It takes no time to make up some bullshit numbers. If every time you come across some obviously bullshit numbers, you have to do all of the research that the bullshitter didn’t do, you wouldn’t have any time for anything else, and it wouldn’t do any good, anyways. You’re proposing a completely dominated and losing strategy.

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    She’s kidding herself if she thinks immigrants have more respect for women but it’s a nice thought

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    Let’s just deport all MAGAts. They’re easily replaceable, seeing as how they’re worthless.

    Then people will be standing in line for years to get in to this place. Oh man, sign me the fuck up.

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    Yes, this is the sort of insanity some of the dumbest people left-of-center seem to genuinely believe. Or perhaps this is the sort of insanity that sock puppet bots from Russia are spreading to make them look bad.

    Don’t be like them if you want to make it more probable that your side wins.

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      But let’s be real, which sane country would accept a horde of entitled, violent, lazy, self-righteous child-abusing cis white Christian males?

      Probably easier to just go dump them out at sea.

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      Ecofascism is not cool! Humans are part of the environment. Indigenous people all over the world live in symbiosis with the environment. The problem isn’t humans, it’s capitalism driving the ever increasing exploitation of nature so the line can always go up. “Kill all humans” and “humans are a disease” and other such phrases are ecofascism, and completely missing the point.

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      Agreed with the exceptions of the cordyceps fungi and the parasitic wasps. No paradise with those kinds of deaths.

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    Our south American countries have those same immigrants you want to include. We don’t have white maga men here and the amount of crime and homicides of both men and women are through the roof.

    Is that what you want to import?

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      I think they meant the side of the venn diagram that is exclusively migrants and not maga

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        Those are the same migrants that increase the crime rates of their own countries and want to escape the shit they help create and bring their shit behavior to civilized places and are unable to assimilate.

        We don’t want them here and those loonies want them in their countries?

        It doesn’t make sense.

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          I think you have a warped view of migrants. The majority are not criminals escaping convictions, most are economic migrants looking for financial stability

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            I live in the country where those migrants spawn. I could have been one but I decided the world abroad is as garbage as my own country but with prettier streets and civilization. I know the quite undesirable culture of my fellow countrymen.

            You have no idea how much they ruin our own countries and they keep ruining it by teaching their kids their lowlife ghetto cultures, spawning corrupted politicians that keep the cancer growing and growing.

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              Again, there’s a disconnect in what you say with an implication that shit flows up. The corruption comes from the top, and trickles down. Those politicians aren’t children of farmers, they’re the children of elites sent to fancy boarding schools abroad.

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                Those politicians grew up in the same culture of parents that taught them it is a good idea to trample over everything in order to succeed.

                South American politicians represent the citizens of their own rotten culture

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                  Will you shut up and let this random white American who has never been there tell you how things really are in your own country ffs? Do you really think you know your country better than a guy who probably can’t even point it out on a map?! You’re ruining his savior complex!

                  (Obviously I’m just kidding and making fun of him, you’re cool lol.)

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    Yeah because outside of America there are no criminals, there is no crime, it’s just a complete paradise in the whole of the world, there’s no CJNG, CDS Los Zetas, Boko Haram, Vodou killing almost 200 elderly because "witchcraft,” none of that; there’s no countries with Sharia law that still stone women to death for being raped, noooo, and all those women’s trials totally have lawyers and are totally fair.

    C’mon lmao. I don’t like Maga idiots either but they’re far from the only criminals in the world.

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      Yeah everywhere has criminals but it’s not picking people at random from other countries.

      The type of people who want to migrate somewhere usually do not want to stir up trouble in their new home.

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        Yeah there’s nothing like MS-13, Sur 13 (Sureños), Cartel De Gulfo, Latin Kings, Nuestra Familia, Norteños, White Fence, Serbian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Italian Mafia (I think they’re done now due to RICO but still), Armenian Power, Tren de Aragua, Sun Yee On, 14k, Wo Hop To, Foochow Paul’s Green Dragons, Ping On, Ghost Shadows, Flying Dragons, Wah Ching, Black Dragons…

        And I guess that the meme is also assuming the local gangs like Crips, Bloods, Piru, GDs and BDs, O Block, FYB, etc are all Trump supporters, which, I mean, wanna bet? I’ve got $10 right now that says they aren’t. Shouldn’t even be too hard to find out just make VladTV ask them.

        (Side note, Asain gangs have the coolest names by far. And yes I’ve read/watched a lot about gangs, it’s actually pretty interesting stuff despite being, y’know, bad and whatnot.)

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      They’re not saying immigrants never commit crimes, but that they commit them at much lower rates than us born citizens.

      If you’re trying to reduce crime, the effective thing to do is target where it actually is rather than scrounging for crumbs where you would like it to be.

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    A woman on Instagram made an excellent point. In the past few years in UK and Ireland, anti-immigration protests happened whenever children and women are attacked by immigrants. However, how come these same protesters don’t come out for female victims of domestic abuse or sexually assaulted? Oh yeah I know, because for them, they treat someone who looks different as being worse and held to different standards. It signals "only we can treat our women bad! Fuck off they’re ours, foreigners! Moreover, xenophobia is also a projection to bigots’ own insecurities. They look for someone deemed weaker to lash out to because they could not be anymore angrier and hateful to themselves. It is our lizard brain putting us on our leash and being enslaved to emotions.

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      Also some of these “protectors of women and girls” have convictions for domestic abuse. They were silent when a white mp was charged with sexual assault. They were silent when a white dj was charged with sexual assault. It’s nothing more than thinly veiled racism. We all know it. If reform Ltd do win the next election, the mask will be off.

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    I might have blocked her at this point - I used to see Annie’s posts constantly. She’s absolutely right, I just can not STAND the Facebook Boomer style of images she posts.

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        Physical and sexual violence are VASTLY more prevelant from men than from women. And the sort of people who support hateful ideologies like MAGA are by and large, awful people. So while MAGAets might be awful people on average, they’re not committing near as much violence.

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          Well, reported anyway, domestic violence from women is still a joke to most people and sometimes even celebrated, people loved Cardi B drugging and robbing men, men who try to report rape are laughed at and called gay for not enjoying it, if you can even report them because in many states (like my state) rape requires penetration so the worst a woman can be charged with legally speaking is “sexual assault.”

          It’s still probably more men than women, but it’s not as little of a problem from women as our numbers and common perception would have you believe, it’s just that nobody gives a fuck when the attacker is a girl/woman and the victim is male. I wouldn’t know, it’s not like I’ve been raped twice by two different women or anything (because in my state, legally speaking, it was “only” sexual assault. Don’t worry though, those women will never be charged with that either, they’re free to continue sexually assaulting).

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            That’s horrifying, I’m so sorry that you’ve lived through that. I said lower on purpose, I CERTAINLY didn’t mean zero - because I absolutely know it happens still.

            I felt like the world was getting less toxic and this vile but common social reaction was improving. Like, the 80s or 90s vs the late 2010s felt like society had made massive improvement here. But everything’s more fucked right now and people are more unabashedly shitty than ever in our lifetimes, I’m sure we’re worse off today and will be for a while now.

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            Fascist women aren’t committing the same level of domestic violence as the men, which is directly relevant to the specific claim the post made. I’m not making a moral judgement or statement, just directly addressing the post while you’re having some other off topic argument with yourself I guess.

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      I honestly can’t comprehend the concept of posting an image of just text on a microblogging website… Unless maybe it’s reshared, but still. I guess everything to try to grasp the fleeting attention these days, all down hill from here.