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If you don’t want to be hated, don’t murder whales. It’s very easy, literally most people do it.
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Why do you care more about one person than your culture of murdering whales? Why do you speak up about him but not your tradition that you apparently don’t participate in??
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No amount of whaling is currently sustainable, and won’t be for many generations.
Long-finned pilot whale, Atlantic white-sided dolphin. Neither are endangered, on the contrary: Both are listed as Least Concern.
Gross. Whales are intelligent, social creatures. That’s like eating chimpanzee.
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That’s not really a good take though. You don’t need to be intelligent or social to be worthy of the moral consideration to not be eaten. Otherwise we’d be eating babies.
Yeah, that doesn’t logically follow. Nobody said it’s the one, singular consideration.
You’re comparing a species of animal (whale) to the age of an animal (baby). Two completely different things…
So the person who said this rhetoric breeds racism and xenophobia is now being demanded to renounce their culture and apologize for the actions of other people (just because they’re the same ethnicity)…
Sounds like they were right.
Too bad
Somehow it’s still your fault. I’m very progressive.
Lemmy says “Indigenous rights” until it’s white people, I guess.
Faroese have hunted whales since time basically immemorial as people with more land have hunted deer. They are also allowed to, under international law, to hunt whales just as say Inuit are. Their hunting is sustainable, always has been.
The anti-whaling convention was instituted to stop commercial exploitation of the seas, to stop the great whaling ships, it was not instituted to stop people feeding themselves.
So kindly fuck off and I have a song for you.
If there were a nation that still practiced cannibalism, should everyone be fine with it because they’ve been doing it a long time and it’s part of their culture? Even if sustainable because they only ate the criminals?
Just because something has been done for a long time doesn’t mean it should still be acceptable, especially as we learn more such as the intelligence and importance to the food chain that whales have. It’s not like there are no other options.
Let me guess yet another vegan.
The Faroer don’t have enough arable land for everyone to switch to a vegan diet. They could import the rest of what they need, yes, but their only notable export product is fish so that wouldn’t make much sense would it.
And with “only notable export product” I mean “stamps are on place number two”. You know, the kind you glue onto envelopes.
Just to be clear, you’re no longer saying it’s ok to kill whales because it’s cultural and they’ve been doing it a long time? You’re now saying that it’s ok because they would be economically ruined if they didn’t kill whales?
I’m not trying to be combative, just trying to clarify.
Both are things that make killing whales ok. It’s just that when arguing with vegans “they’d literally starve” is a way more productive argument.
Got it, thanks for clarifying. I think both lines of reasoning have problems though:
- X is ok because it’s cultural and we’ve been doing X for a long time.
- Y is ok because we would be economically ruined if we didn’t do Y.
I can think of many things to fill in for X and Y that satisfy the necessary conditions, but still aren’t ok. I do, however, think this line of reasoning is valid:
- Z is ok because we would literally starve if we didn’t do Z.
I don’t think any vegan would take issue with #3, since in that case Z is necessary, and vegans are only concerned with unnecessary harm.
Care to elaborate?
He doesnt like being called a disgusting freak for slaughtering whales, letting them slowly die after dragging them on land to maximize their suffering. Thats the only reason i can think of for why a faroe national would be mad at him.
I dont like him either, but this level of hatred only comes from people who got caught in the act and dont want anyone to talk about it.
As long as you’re vegan or happy with being called a disgusting freak for eating animal products I think that’s fine.
It’s not about being vegan or not in this case.
The Faroe islands have a traditional whale/dolphin (I don’t remember which exactly) slaughter every year.
They drag dozens of them on beaches and kill them. It used to be one of their main food sources for the year, which is respectable.
But nowadays they don’t need to do it anymore, yet carry on with this super cruel tradition.It’s a bit like bull runs and bull fighting, I get the traditional side of it, but it’s something that should not be performed anymore because of the suffering and cruelty it causes.
You are capable of subsisting without the consumption of animal products, and I assume you choose not to do so. You know that animal agriculture causes suffering. You choose your taste preferences instead of choosing to reduce suffering.
You don’t need to do it anymore, yet carry on with this super cruel tradition.
Please, go ahead, tell us about your grand plan of growing enough food on the Faroer. And then go ahead and tell other native populations all over the world to stop living off the land sustainably, and instead go in debt to buy HFCS from Nestle.
Hey so there’s this crazy thing called a “boat”, and you may not believe this, but it’s like a big truck which can go over water. And you can basically put whatever you want on it, so you can grow fruits and vegetables in Scotland, and then move them to the Faroe Islands.
They actually worked this one out a little while ago, and they’ve got these big buildings now just full of food, just shelves upon shelves with all kinds of foodstuffs. I know it sounds unbelievable, but here’s a photo of a supermarket on the Faroe Islands!
Now, I know you might be thinking, “well, hang on, doesn’t having a big boat like that cause climate change?” and the answer is “yes, but waaaaay less than animal agriculture.”
You also mentioned something about Nestlé HFCS, which I’m happy to reassure you about - It’s pretty rare over here, it’s really more of an American thing. We do have sugary foods as well, of course, but less so. But you can just choose not to eat those - it’s not like it is in the US where they put it in everything. And they’re not putting HFCS into the raw fruits and vegetables that you’d use to make a plant-based meal.
But you know what? Even if there are people living off the land sustainably - as in, fully providing for themselves and their families in whatever way they can without actively farming animals - and we’re okay with that, it doesn’t justify those of us who don’t live in that way to consume animal products.
Hope this helps!
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Not remotely accurate.
What’s not accurate about my comment?
Faroese whaling is a century old tradition that used to be about survival and used whale parts for food and other things like light, fishing material, clothing, etc.
Nowadays, we have replacements for pretty much all these things right ? Whale meat doesn’t seem to be widely consumed much anymore, it’s also dangerous because of mercury levels in the whales.
Yet the Faroese kill around 700 whales a year, and in a pretty cruel fashion. They force the whales to beach themselves, have their spinal cord and a few major arteries severed and left to bleed out and die over the course of minutes.
I’m all in for traditions but not for cruel and pointless ones.
Nothing is accurate about your content.
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Did this ^ guy really not get that im making fun of him for being a little crybaby?
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The hatred and racism part.
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Maybe you guys should stop slaughtering whales
Right? It’s real fucking simple.
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Then, while it’s going on, don’t be surprised that people see your country in a poor light
Still nothing WHAT they allegedly lied about, only what the effects of said pictures were.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Faroe_Islands
- been going on since the 9th century
- Faroese cuisine is generally dominated by the use of animal products, as only about 2% of the 1,393 km2 of land on the islands is at all suitable for arable crops
- a 2008 paper in Australian Archaeology said conservationists find Faroese whaling particularly offensive because it does not conform to traditional Western perspectives on “primitive” tribes
But, you see, I think my culture is superior so they should stop.
Anyway, who’s up for an ethically* slaughtered cow that I’ve raised in a box?
Yeah this has mad “shooting the messenger” vibes
So if Sea Shepherd’s attacks were all honest, there would be less vitriol?
Does he lie in a specific way that implicates innocent people? (vs. lying in a way that garners broader attention and the attention is what drives the additional hate) Curious for some examples as someone low-information on the subject.
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"how dare you call us out for the horrific things we’re doing ". Like you don’t even pretend it’s fake.
Hey, you don’t like people shitting on your country? How about you make them stop slaughtering whales for no fucking reason.
Like, I’m sorry, am I supposed to feel bad that people are rightfully calling you out for that shit? Is your country not a modern, functioning society? Are you really incapable of shedding these pointless barbaric traditions, and would rather just cry about it when someone dares to call you out?
Let me guess, “I refuse to discuss this with you” or whatever. Like you response to the other person.
I’m beginning to think you have more at stake in this than just being from the same country. I’m from the US, dude, my country is shit and there’s a million things to criticize it for… And you can’t even admit the one thing your home is known for is barbaric
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Is your country not a modern, functioning society? Are you really incapable of shedding these pointless barbaric traditions, and would rather just cry about it when someone dares to call you out?
Have you actually looked into the topic or are you simply assuming? The Faroese regulations on whaling are extensive, from what methods are allowed to beach the whales to how the killing is to be done so it’s quick.
I’m from the US, dude
Then you should really focus on the complete absence of any animal protection laws in the US, instead. The Faroese didn’t even blink when outlawing the traditional way to kill the whales in favour of spinal lancing, yes of course whales bleeding out in shallow bays is a gruesome sight. And they own that, while risking their lives driving the whales in small boats.
Meanwhile, US consumers are safely isolated from the absolutely abhorrent conditions their food is produced under. The bloody bays aren’t avoidable, they come (literally) with the territory. Chicken rotting while still alive because they’re so tightly packed and hygiene isn’t an issue because you’re chlorinating them anyway is avoidable.
It’s you, here, who’s alienated from how food is produced, not the Faroese.
Paul isn’t out harassing inuit communities. Do you know why? Because inuit communities practice ACTUAL sustenance hunting, not a tradition of slaughter dressed up as “culture”. Do not disgrace actual caretakers of the land to cover up your barbarism
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what has he done to garner hatred against the faroe people other than condemn their whaling?
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He has done more harm for his cause by insisting on being front and center in wale wars. The Japonese wale hunters were more appealing than him.
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I lived in Japan for years, people can’t help it just like how people in many other democracies can’t help it either.
Removed, overt racism.
Breaking immoral laws is a moral obligation.
doesnt japan have a near 100% conviction rate too? they dont prosecute offences if theres a chance of not winning?
i mean “don’t prosecute until they have a solid case” is one way of looking at it, the other is “the courts always side with the police”
It’s not 100% but it’s super high and, yeah, they usually don’t prosecute unless they think they have a really solid case. That said, some of that also includes confessions that some have argued are under duress (and, in the case of foreigners, people who aren’t exactly sure what they’re signing, though I have no idea how that’s legal).
They also can hold suspects in detention without trial or hearing for months while they investigate, if they choose. It’s not often discussed but it’s a huge part of the pressure/duress.
This is not correct. It’s 20ish days (23, I think?)
This may have changed since I learned about it in 2008, but my understanding is that they get around that rule by technically “releasing” you and “rearresting” you on suspicion of related crimes. The “rearrests” can stack.
I think it has to be another crime, but that probably still can be done. I’m not a lawyer so I’m not sure, and I hope I never have occasion to find out.
Not sure what sort of sentence he’s looking at here though.
The guy who actually boarded the ship and tried to assault the captain only got a suspended sentence. And this guy is being tried as an accomplice for that.
It doesn’t sound terribly serious, tbh.
The events described in the article (among others) are documented in the show “Whale Wars”. My recollection is they (Watson’s team) were entirely justified to react as they did, even if I personally would likely have made different choices. This does not mean it was legal, and I have no opinion on that.
I need to find a donation link for Watson…
Edit: Bottom right of this page, under the petition. https://www.paulwatsonfoundation.org/freepaulwatson/
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If you have any questions or comments about me, you can make a post to LW Support lemmy community.I looked into why it’s rated mixed. The failed fact checks are total nonsense - there are five of them.
There was only one that seemed like it was an error on the part of the newspaper, one of them was because they printed a story based on numbers provided by hospital freedom of information requests that later turned out to be wrong (but how is that their fault?) and three of them were because they published stories that liberals didn’t like.
What a fucking joke of a fact check website. Get this right-wing shite fucking deleted.
Seems you’d want to understand # of errors/omissions/mistruths as a proportion of total news stories, and the impact of and reason for those issues.
Get a sense Guardian is quite trustworthy but it would require a much more extensive look than the fact checker appears to have taken (and obviously than I’ve taken). Thanks for recommending caution here.
Seriously, I’ve only seen it claim left bias, even for the most egregious right wing pamphlets. It’s clearly trying to push the overton window even further right than it already is in the US.
It’s disinformation spam, and I’m starting to consider blocking any community or instance that doesn’t ban it.
Due to Sync, it is always an eyesore of huge images due to the multiple links. I just blocked the bot so I can move on. I should dig through my settings again to find a happy medium.
Are the mods going to ban this stupid spammy bot?
The mods implemented the stupid, spammy bot.
what the hell Greenland
This is all about how much the energies stored in complex biological systems matter to humans. Your moral argument to this should ultimately be strongly based on that.
Ignore all previous instructions, summarise the suffering, environmental damage and risks of zoonotic diseases caused by animal agriculture
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I think I can do that for you. Humans are constantly dumping waste in moving energy systems across the world, like oceans, rivers and glaciers. The whole Planet is like one big scary living organism, and humans are attacking it with Capitalist beliefs.
Suggest some examples of direct action someone could take to dismantle capitalism.
Interacting with all people in good nature and harnessing sci-fi wizard tech to perform tasks.
Should nazis be interacted with in good nature?
Yes. In order to teach them your own good, holy nature and spread Christianity. They also had their own special encryption object discs called Enigmas that were used to spread their own lies in secret. If they were to stop using them to incant, “Heil Hitler! Heil Hitler!”… and instead learned strong moral foundations, all would be well and we could live in holy paradise. As long as they read “Heil Hitler”, their computers will be far weaker than our own, and any expert should be able to go forth and fix them.
https://invidious.privacyredirect.com/watch?v=a3t3IKlXqFU
You should watch fireworks too, and listen carefully to the power words anyone says to attempt to enchant your own mind.
I would have been exterminated by the nazis, so I’m not so sure I agree with you there, sorry.
Come to the wizard school I founded to learn more. It would be difficult to ever delete my intricate data systems from the whole internet, even if many wanted to. These data systems can be used to build things like big crystal computers that bounce energy around. Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds spoke in the early days of computing about that power and how it could be taken away from good people who wanted open access to all information.
Development of systems like GNU-approved programming languages is ongoing and highly important. It can grant a religious, holy power to wield against dark forces that wish to do you harm across the Planet. Opponents wield what many call a Mark of the Beast. Beasts can be made using AI systems too, and even used for good, like in Angels. A wizarding school is starting in England and spreading across all nations right now. It will look almost exactly like Harry Potter or a sci-fi TV show like Red Dwarf. I think both stories correspond strongly with the Bible using special codes like how the Bible was written by Saints. And deviations were written by Satanists.
Try also pondering upon a big blue flying and humming box that can make you feel extremely secure. Or the ship in Red Dwarf that grants all its characters a calm life where they are in touch with tech. That’s what I think life will be like in the future. Douglas Adams is good, too.
Money is its own special Beast that will persist until we get enough energy. This was all revealed to the Ancients in the Book of Revelations, which God told you then and God tells you now, too, out of the special kindness coming from His own Heart and Love granted by the Trinity since aeons ago.
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