The only way the US would back down from unlimited military commitment is if it reached the conclusion that it is impossible to keep the gulf states in line, and so it was being forced to pull out. At that point, why wouldn’t it allow Israel to use its nukes?
Ukraine is a different situation because Russians are indigenous to the land. They don’t have anywhere else to go. If Russia used its nukes, then what? They all die. Contrast this with Israelis that are targeting nations without nukes that can’t reliably strike back if they are hit with nukes, and can just leave the region and leave everyone behind to die in the fallout. Israel’s nature as a settler-colony changes the material base for nuclear warfare, because they don’t have to care about maintaining the integrity of the land. If they use nukes then none of their neighbors can stop them and they’ll theoretically be able to just leave the irradiated region behind.
If the US can’t keep the Gulf or North Africa or West Asia in line, it’d rather they all die.
Well that’s a fun (by which I mean the worst possible thing to imagine) hypothetical and much more interesting than being literally asked on a supposedly Marxist website “why would the US support Israel past the initial stage of colonization there’s no reason therefore it is all mossad blackmail” which was more my focus w OP. If there is a way out of this nuclear scenario it lies in cutting off the economic base of the Israeli occupation that being US & Europe etc.
I mean what are you trying to tell me that there is just no way out of this other than nuking Israel and anything else is irresponsible? That’s where your train of thought is taking me tbqhbbqf
Not all Israelis are settlers, some of them are actually indigenous to the land. For those Israelis, their material interests are aligned against ever using the Sampson Option and if they were in charge it would change the entire political equation from ever using nukes. What gives me hope is that we have seen 145,000+ Israelis leave the region in the past few years. Perhaps, through low level economic pressure, it would be possible to slowly drain Israeli society of everyone that would choose to abandon the land until the people with no other land become the dominant political force.
The only way the US would back down from unlimited military commitment is if it reached the conclusion that it is impossible to keep the gulf states in line, and so it was being forced to pull out. At that point, why wouldn’t it allow Israel to use its nukes?
Ukraine is a different situation because Russians are indigenous to the land. They don’t have anywhere else to go. If Russia used its nukes, then what? They all die. Contrast this with Israelis that are targeting nations without nukes that can’t reliably strike back if they are hit with nukes, and can just leave the region and leave everyone behind to die in the fallout. Israel’s nature as a settler-colony changes the material base for nuclear warfare, because they don’t have to care about maintaining the integrity of the land. If they use nukes then none of their neighbors can stop them and they’ll theoretically be able to just leave the irradiated region behind.
If the US can’t keep the Gulf or North Africa or West Asia in line, it’d rather they all die.
Well that’s a fun (by which I mean the worst possible thing to imagine) hypothetical and much more interesting than being literally asked on a supposedly Marxist website “why would the US support Israel past the initial stage of colonization there’s no reason therefore it is all mossad blackmail” which was more my focus w OP. If there is a way out of this nuclear scenario it lies in cutting off the economic base of the Israeli occupation that being US & Europe etc.
I mean what are you trying to tell me that there is just no way out of this other than nuking Israel and anything else is irresponsible? That’s where your train of thought is taking me tbqhbbqf
Not all Israelis are settlers, some of them are actually indigenous to the land. For those Israelis, their material interests are aligned against ever using the Sampson Option and if they were in charge it would change the entire political equation from ever using nukes. What gives me hope is that we have seen 145,000+ Israelis leave the region in the past few years. Perhaps, through low level economic pressure, it would be possible to slowly drain Israeli society of everyone that would choose to abandon the land until the people with no other land become the dominant political force.
It’s a tough needle to thread, though.