so…we should be more concerned about teachers and students hurting some kids’ feelings
No?
But it remains that the social dynamics at play make a lot of young conservatives ripe for grooming.
It’s kinda like being a socially awkward teen, and later becoming an Incel (capital I), and later believing that feminism is ripping society apart at its seams—there are pipelines that move people from childhood to adulthood. And sometimes these pipes stem from really simple things, like that modern city design and culture have made people really, really lonely.
These emotionally damaged young men need to snap the fuck out of it and realize who is really hurting them and who really killed the American dream.
That’s like telling a depressed person to just be happy…
“Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and” address these people’s issues for better or for worse, while “some dumbass underpaid woke college professor” isn’t (socially) allowed to do so or doesn’t want to
What the hell are u talking about? The shooter most definetly was not a piece of shit, the shooter is a hero! If someones beliefs are about opressing people and taking their rights away it’s only right they are corrected or kicked the hell out of higher education.
Charlie was an awful human being, but his death will be used to harm a whole lot of people. I’d put the blame for that harm largely on the person that shot him
They would have harmed even more people weather kirk was alive or not. They may use the death of that piece of shit as a justification but they would have found some other thing to use as a justification anyways.
I mean, Kirk was on Gavin Newsom’s podcast in March and Newsom talked about how his kids loved Kirk. How his 13-year-old son refused to go to school because he wanted to stay home and meet Charlie. And if that doesn’t tell you how wide Kirk’s appeal is among young people I don’t know what would.
And look. A lot of people on the left also discount or ignore how young conservatives feel discriminated against in higher education. Rightly or wrongly, I’m talking about their beliefs, not the validity of those beliefs. Kids who come from red states with conservative Christian beliefs about sex, about gender, about what it means to be a man, they’re proud to go to college so they can earn a better living and do better for their future children than their parents did for them. And then they hit the culture shock of college and both students and teachers are telling them “everything you believe is wrong, you’re a bad person for believing it, and if you even try to argue for it we will ostracize you”.
There is no ‘rightly or wrongly’ – what you’re describing is indoctrination and brainwashing. They are and should be discriminated against, but not because of where they’re from or the color of their skin, but because they have been taught wrong, and most importantly have been taught to see challenges to their beliefs as a threat. The purpose of a school is not to validate your pre-existing beliefs, but to give you a space to challenge your ideas and learn new ones. Ignorance should not have a safe space there, and people who do not come to learn should not feel welcome.
In a school, it should be safe to admit your ignorance.
I didn’t write very much, and I clearly didn’t write that you shouldn’t be able to admit ignorance at school. If you actually care about reading and understanding what I’m saying, then this is your opportunity to demonstrate you can roll it back, tone it down, and read what I wrote again. If some of it is ambiguous to you, you can ask me questions.
It seems like you’re looking for a leftist punching bag, and that will just make you look like another hateful violent right-wing brute. Are you afraid to talk about your beliefs? Are you afraid to talk about them anonymously and online?
Alright. What did you mean by “ignorance should not have a safe space there”?
Last week, a student at Texas A&M objected to the professor teaching about “transgenderism” in the classroom. The teacher was doing their job, teaching the scientific consensus. Instead of challenging the teacher’s ideas, the student challenged the legality of teaching science. The student was ignorant. Instead of admitting ignorance, or even assuming their own competence and trying to argue their ideas, the student took the third route: threats of political violence. The student warned the teacher that police could come and force the teacher from teaching the truth.
Campuses should be very intolerant to ignorance like this student displayed. But instead the teacher, department head, and dean were all penalized for standing up against an enemy of free thought. That is the goal of this administration - to force indoctrination on American children, and shut down all the spaces where having discussions like this one we’re having right now might open their eyes up to the lies they’ve been taught.
You make a great point about how people feel that way, regardless of the reality. Many conservatives feel like it was illegal not to get the COVID vaccine, despite nowhere in the US having a legal requirement. It was simply businesses requiring it for their employees and/or customers
To them the legal threat was very real, regardless of reality. Progressives need to understand that and work to alleviate the concerns of conservatives. We can shout all we want about how we shouldn’t have to cater to them, or how basic empathy should be enough for conservatives, but that isn’t the reality. If you genuinely feel immigrants are why you can’t get a job, all empathy goes out the window. Telling them they’re a bad person for doing something they think will help them feed their family will never work
And ironically, part of the issue is a lack of empathy on the left. Instead of asking why conservatives believe these things and trying to understand how to convince them otherwise, the American left just wants to call them fascists and deplatform them. “It’s not my job to educate you” is smug and contemptuous and one of the nicer ways the left respond to conservatives.
No wonder you delete all of your comments. That’s a pretty terrible take.
the American left just wants to call them fascists and deplatform them
They were and are fascists. That’s no longer a question or a hypothetical outcome. It is our current reality. We have ICE acting as a paramilitary going through the streets rounding up anyone that looks Hispanic, including many citizens and legal residents. We’ve built special camps to house large numbers of detainees in a small area
We have the National Guard deployed across the country - armed military members walking our streets. We’ve renamed the Department of Defense to the Department of War and threatened war with many other countries - Canada, Greenland/Denmark, Panama, Iran, and more
Anyone opposing Trump is being retaliated against. He threatened to revoke all of Musk’s contracts for being critical of The Big Beautiful Bill. John Bolton, Trump’s former national security advisor had his home raided by the FBI in clear retribution to his publicly critical statements about Trump. Kamala Harris had her Secret Service detail revoked at a time when political violence is at an all time high. What possible reason could Trump have for revoking her security detail other than in the hopes she is assassinated?
It’s quintessential fascism. What more needs to happen before people admit it?
the feminist movement wrote young men off - telling them “everything you know about being a man is misogynist, stop doing it, but it’s not our job to teach you how to be a better man”
That was not the platform of the feminist movement. It was the views of a small fringe group. One of the problems with far-right commentators is they like to look at a tiny extreme group that very few people agree with and claim they represent the whole left. Somehow it worked and now people, like you, are convinced of crazy things
Kirk was an idol to millions of teenage boys who are now seeing the online left cheering for his death
Kirk himself was cheering when a guy tried to assassinate Paul Pelosi. He even “joked” about getting someone to pay the bail of Pelosi’s attacker
It’s been tit-for-tat for a while. It’s not getting better
Consistent gun laws is not a huge ask. It’s simple fucking common sense. And anyway what’s the worry? We built a society so slavishly devoted to guns that children are routinely mowed down by gunfire and nothing happens. Relax.
How many times has the US government gone up against farmers and gotten nowhere? When the government has a monopoly on violence, liberty is dead. The US government has proven itself evil time and time again through its actions all over the world, and you want them to be the only ones who are armed?
When the fascist thugs kick your door in, who is going to defend you? When they’re gunning down your neighbors in the street, who is going to defend you? When they are marching you and your family one by one into the gas chambers, who is going to defend you? Nobody, because you gave the fascists all the guns.
Its frustrating when people try to pretend they’re on the left while spouting blatant pro-fascist propaganda. “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
You’re not wrong; this is a tough one to comment sensibly on.
The crowd thing, it’s Utah; I would anticipate a crowd at an Utah university for something like this being full of homeschooled kids who haven’t broken away from parroting their parents’ views yet. Kirk is probably a hero in many of those households.
I was thinking the same thing about the angle. The tent would’ve theoretically meant the shooter would’ve had to be at a similar level/grade to make that shot.
I was only able to find censored versions of the video, but it sounds like he was hit in the neck. It will be a genuine miracle if he survives.
You know what’s sort of depressingly funny? The country would be better off if he were jailed for speech inciting violence. Not this.
You know what’s sort of depressingly funny? The country would be better off if he were jailed for speech inciting violence. Not this.
Just as France would have been better off throwing Louis XVI in jail, but it was basically impossible to do. I’m very concerned about our coming reign of terror, but I didn’t realize how the tension slowly builds until you want something, anything to happen and finally move past it. Of course, a good chunk of those who died by Guillotine thought they’d be able to move past it at some point.
The fascists want violence, against them and against their enemies.
They want a fight.
The fascists are celebrating right now.
They aren’t afraid.
They never were.
Exactly like Hamas and Al Qaida.
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For your point 6, they will ramp it up. That’s what they do.
Yeah, pretty much. Nazis aren’t going to care about any facts here, just going to be out for “revenge” for one of their own.
2A up responsible liberals and minorities, it ain’t going to be pretty.
Its the Reichstag fire moment they’ve been waiting for…
Somehow I doubt Little t is going to send troops into Utah.
No, he’ll bomb Portland because he’s literally a demented rapist.
More like the killing of Horst Wessel
Trump was literally shot last year. Surely that was a more fitting moment
Trump says he was shot. So he wasn’t actually shot.
Trump wasn’t president yet back then.
Why would that stop them? This fascist machine didn’t just turn on.
and the response will need to be in kind
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No?
But it remains that the social dynamics at play make a lot of young conservatives ripe for grooming.
It’s kinda like being a socially awkward teen, and later becoming an Incel (capital I), and later believing that feminism is ripping society apart at its seams—there are pipelines that move people from childhood to adulthood. And sometimes these pipes stem from really simple things, like that modern city design and culture have made people really, really lonely.
That’s like telling a depressed person to just be happy…
“Pieces of shit like Charlie Kirk come along and” address these people’s issues for better or for worse, while “some dumbass underpaid woke college professor” isn’t (socially) allowed to do so or doesn’t want to
No, it’s more like telling an addict to stop using.
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What the hell are u talking about? The shooter most definetly was not a piece of shit, the shooter is a hero! If someones beliefs are about opressing people and taking their rights away it’s only right they are corrected or kicked the hell out of higher education.
Charlie was an awful human being, but his death will be used to harm a whole lot of people. I’d put the blame for that harm largely on the person that shot him
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They would have harmed even more people weather kirk was alive or not. They may use the death of that piece of shit as a justification but they would have found some other thing to use as a justification anyways.
Damn, Gavrilo Princip must be in super hell then
There is no ‘rightly or wrongly’ – what you’re describing is indoctrination and brainwashing. They are and should be discriminated against, but not because of where they’re from or the color of their skin, but because they have been taught wrong, and most importantly have been taught to see challenges to their beliefs as a threat. The purpose of a school is not to validate your pre-existing beliefs, but to give you a space to challenge your ideas and learn new ones. Ignorance should not have a safe space there, and people who do not come to learn should not feel welcome.
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I didn’t write very much, and I clearly didn’t write that you shouldn’t be able to admit ignorance at school. If you actually care about reading and understanding what I’m saying, then this is your opportunity to demonstrate you can roll it back, tone it down, and read what I wrote again. If some of it is ambiguous to you, you can ask me questions.
It seems like you’re looking for a leftist punching bag, and that will just make you look like another hateful violent right-wing brute. Are you afraid to talk about your beliefs? Are you afraid to talk about them anonymously and online?
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Last week, a student at Texas A&M objected to the professor teaching about “transgenderism” in the classroom. The teacher was doing their job, teaching the scientific consensus. Instead of challenging the teacher’s ideas, the student challenged the legality of teaching science. The student was ignorant. Instead of admitting ignorance, or even assuming their own competence and trying to argue their ideas, the student took the third route: threats of political violence. The student warned the teacher that police could come and force the teacher from teaching the truth.
Campuses should be very intolerant to ignorance like this student displayed. But instead the teacher, department head, and dean were all penalized for standing up against an enemy of free thought. That is the goal of this administration - to force indoctrination on American children, and shut down all the spaces where having discussions like this one we’re having right now might open their eyes up to the lies they’ve been taught.
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You make a great point about how people feel that way, regardless of the reality. Many conservatives feel like it was illegal not to get the COVID vaccine, despite nowhere in the US having a legal requirement. It was simply businesses requiring it for their employees and/or customers
To them the legal threat was very real, regardless of reality. Progressives need to understand that and work to alleviate the concerns of conservatives. We can shout all we want about how we shouldn’t have to cater to them, or how basic empathy should be enough for conservatives, but that isn’t the reality. If you genuinely feel immigrants are why you can’t get a job, all empathy goes out the window. Telling them they’re a bad person for doing something they think will help them feed their family will never work
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No wonder you delete all of your comments. That’s a pretty terrible take.
They were and are fascists. That’s no longer a question or a hypothetical outcome. It is our current reality. We have ICE acting as a paramilitary going through the streets rounding up anyone that looks Hispanic, including many citizens and legal residents. We’ve built special camps to house large numbers of detainees in a small area
We have the National Guard deployed across the country - armed military members walking our streets. We’ve renamed the Department of Defense to the Department of War and threatened war with many other countries - Canada, Greenland/Denmark, Panama, Iran, and more
Anyone opposing Trump is being retaliated against. He threatened to revoke all of Musk’s contracts for being critical of The Big Beautiful Bill. John Bolton, Trump’s former national security advisor had his home raided by the FBI in clear retribution to his publicly critical statements about Trump. Kamala Harris had her Secret Service detail revoked at a time when political violence is at an all time high. What possible reason could Trump have for revoking her security detail other than in the hopes she is assassinated?
It’s quintessential fascism. What more needs to happen before people admit it?
That was not the platform of the feminist movement. It was the views of a small fringe group. One of the problems with far-right commentators is they like to look at a tiny extreme group that very few people agree with and claim they represent the whole left. Somehow it worked and now people, like you, are convinced of crazy things
Kirk himself was cheering when a guy tried to assassinate Paul Pelosi. He even “joked” about getting someone to pay the bail of Pelosi’s attacker
It’s been tit-for-tat for a while. It’s not getting better
🤣😂
Agreed though everyone, even the shitheads that promotes political violence, deserve life.
It’s long past time that the US needs to grapple with guns and repeal the 2nd amendment
Right, only Trump’s government should have guns. Fuck the minorities
Consistent gun laws is not a huge ask. It’s simple fucking common sense. And anyway what’s the worry? We built a society so slavishly devoted to guns that children are routinely mowed down by gunfire and nothing happens. Relax.
Yea! The US government would never be able to cope with armed minorities. It makes perfect sense if you don’t think about it.
It’s so frustrating when people on the Left buy into the red-neck 2A bullshit. Maybe y’all are trying to honor Charlie Kirk by promoting his views.
How many times has the US government gone up against farmers and gotten nowhere? When the government has a monopoly on violence, liberty is dead. The US government has proven itself evil time and time again through its actions all over the world, and you want them to be the only ones who are armed?
When the fascist thugs kick your door in, who is going to defend you? When they’re gunning down your neighbors in the street, who is going to defend you? When they are marching you and your family one by one into the gas chambers, who is going to defend you? Nobody, because you gave the fascists all the guns.
Its frustrating when people try to pretend they’re on the left while spouting blatant pro-fascist propaganda. “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
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You’re not wrong; this is a tough one to comment sensibly on.
The crowd thing, it’s Utah; I would anticipate a crowd at an Utah university for something like this being full of homeschooled kids who haven’t broken away from parroting their parents’ views yet. Kirk is probably a hero in many of those households.
I was thinking the same thing about the angle. The tent would’ve theoretically meant the shooter would’ve had to be at a similar level/grade to make that shot.
I was only able to find censored versions of the video, but it sounds like he was hit in the neck. It will be a genuine miracle if he survives.
You know what’s sort of depressingly funny? The country would be better off if he were jailed for speech inciting violence. Not this.
Just as France would have been better off throwing Louis XVI in jail, but it was basically impossible to do. I’m very concerned about our coming reign of terror, but I didn’t realize how the tension slowly builds until you want something, anything to happen and finally move past it. Of course, a good chunk of those who died by Guillotine thought they’d be able to move past it at some point.
Looks more like a balding gray haired white guy.
Which means there’s a chance he’ll survive to trial
They’ll ramp up, but they would’ve anyways.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they claimed the shooter is trans. They’ve done it before with absolutely no evidence.
could be a martyr
Free conspiracy theory: It was the CIA as a distraction from the Epstein files.
There’s a reason marvel used a “Hydra” as the mascot for fascism. We’re still at the beginning of this roller coaster.
Re. No. 6:
The fascists want violence, against them and against their enemies. They want a fight. The fascists are celebrating right now. They aren’t afraid. They never were. Exactly like Hamas and Al Qaida.