• lorty@lemmy.ml
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    It’s eugenistic because the movie argues idiot parents have idiot children while smart parents have smart children. For every example you can find of this being true you can find another of it being false.

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      eugenistic because the movie argues idiot parents have idiot children while smart parents have smart children.

      This still comes down to a nature vs nurture argument, and the movie tends to fall back on things like education being the primary issue.

      Idiots raising idiots isn’t necessarily an argument based in eugenics. Parents who never learned are not going to be able to teach their children. If there isn’t something like a decent public education system, then what chance do the children of idiots really have?

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        2 months ago

        the movie tends to fall back on things like education being the primary issue.

        Are we talking about the same movie?

        The movie’s “happy ending” is literally that the “smartest person” becomes the boss of all the stupid people. I think y’all don’t really know too much about eugenics.

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          Are we talking about the same movie?

          Yes, everyone knows about this scene. This still isn’t claiming that intellect is a genetic trait that can only be inherited. It’s claiming that intellect is no longer a valued societal trait that people find necessary to procreate.

          I think the problem with your interpretation is it is focusing on biological evolution, when in reality the satire is based on societal evolution. Idiocracy is only set like 500 years in the future, not exactly enough time to see humans biologically adapt in any significant way.

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            I don’t know what I can say. The movie literally focuses on the biology. It’s literally in the text and you claim otherwise.

            Edit: I noticed that my timestamp didn’t work. It’s pretty open at 1m58s

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              Does the movie touch on an “intelligence gene” that’s passed down?

              I don’t believe it does, in which case, is it eugenics if no genes are involved?

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                Does the movie touch on an “intelligence gene” that’s passed down?

                r u serious?

                is it eugenics if no genes are involved?

                Yes, goddammit. The idea is older than the discovery of genes. 🙄

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                  2 months ago

                  Yes, goddammit. The idea is older than the discovery of genes. 🙄

                  Incorrect theories about hereditary effects have fueled eugenics, however the undiscovered underlying mechanism would still be genes.

                  My understanding is that the eugenics still necessitates genes being passed down, but I am no eugenics scholar and would cede to definitions that are contrary.

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                    Incorrect theories about hereditary effects have fueled eugenics, however the undiscovered underlying mechanism would still be genes.

                    So? Darwin came before the discovery of genes. My whole point is that you don’t need to talk about genes in order to talk about eugenics.