The blanket ban, expanding on a similar policy Trump proposed in his first term, has been blocked nationwide by lower courts.
  • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
    7·
    2 days ago

    People with asthma, flat feet, depression, heart murmurs, etc can’t join the military. Why should people with gender dysphoria be allowed to join?

    People who would never join the military are the ones complaining. And if they do join, they should be limited to non deployable jobs.

    • andros_rex@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 days ago

      Because we aren’t supposed to exist.

      That’s why the rhetoric is so focused on kids. You torture/conversion therapy/get them to Jill themselves, then act like being trans is a “phase” or “fad” or mental illness or ploy to molest girls. There aren’t supposed to be “real” trans adults.

      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        The only people saying trans people aren’t allowed/supposed to exist are trans people claiming others are saying it when they’re not.

        • andros_rex@lemmy.world
          12·
          2 days ago

          I have zero regrets about my transition. It really sucks that the place I live treats me as a second class citizen for being transgender, but that is on them and not me.

          Your comments about trans medical care reveal a profound ignorance which isn’t worth engaging with. You aren’t a doctor, and your opinions on endocrinology are probably worth as much as bathroom graffiti. Your opening paragraph is a bunch of stupid, hysterical non sequiturs with no relevance to the current conversation.

          Try again.

            • andros_rex@lemmy.world
              17·
              2 days ago

              Didja know that not all trans people take hormones? Also, they aren’t always in pill form - your comments so far seem to indicate that you have absolutely no idea how trans medical care works. T can even be in pellets which you take every few months.

              People who are on medications can join the military. I imagine someone with medical qualifications in endocrinology would be the person to make that call.

              The military allowed trans people under Obama and Biden with no issues.

              Maybe don’t talk about issues you know nothing about?

                • andros_rex@lemmy.world
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  The trans who don’t take hormones won’t pass for their desired gender lol

                  My first speeding ticket was before I started testosterone. The officer wrote male. My drivers license still said female.

                  I do shots, once a week. Started every other week. No deleterious medical effects over the past ten or so years, barring some issues with high blood cell count, which is fairly easy to manage/eliminate. I do it myself - I’m shit at z-tracking but eh, must not be fucking it up too much. Just to give you a data point, because you seem ignorant about trans people in general and I’m glad to educate.

                  In a military context I can imagine it would be problematic to give oneself injections, but there are gels and the pellets. Estrogen is a pill, can also be injected. But the thing is, you can go without hormones and it’s survivable. Testosterone shortages have been a routine issue forever. It’s not like having to skip a week detranses you.

                  I’m not questioning your knowledge of the military - I am questioning your knowledge of medicine.

            • barsoap@lemm.ee
              4·
              2 days ago

              Not every role within the military is a combat role. I very much doubt that people with asthma or flat feet are barred working, for example, as analyst in military intelligence. And if the military does then the military should scrounge up some actual intelligence.

              • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                Military intelligence is an oxymoron, no such thing. I wouldn’t have a problem if trans or people with asthma join, they’d have to be non deployable and have a desk job or something similar

        • orcrist@lemm.eeEnglish
          6·
          2 days ago

          Lots of people are prescribed pills for lots of things. What the hell does that have to do with anything? You know it doesn’t.

          • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            Do you know what disqualifies you from military service? You don’t. If you’re prescribed pills for depression or even for being suicidal, you’re disqualified for military service. You can’t even lie about it, because they use a genesis program that will list everything.

            You’re just a virtue signaler.

    • sunglocto@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      Having gender dysphoria doesn’t impact your abilities on the field. You can still perform all the tasks that a regular person can do. Banning people from joining the military because they are a different gender then they were at birth is moronic, and is just excluding entire groups of people because “MUH WOKE!!! MUH DEI!!!”. Americans need to grow up.

    • orcrist@lemm.eeEnglish
      8·
      2 days ago

      Did you just use some made-up term, so that you could deflect from the real issue? In reality, being trans is not a health problem. I know you want to pretend it is one, so that you can say it’s similar to asthma, but you’re wrong.

      • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 days ago

        Do you even know what the real issue is?

        Never said it’s similar to asthma, but trans people do have to take hormones for the rest of their lives, and there’s a lot of disqualifiers for military service as it is. It’s not like joining a health spa. It’s not just the lives of trans, it’s the lives of everyone in the unit. And I know that combat units won’t be able to handle that yet. And you may say that they should, but you can’t just throw one in there and expect them to handle it, especially when it’s a job that deals with life and death.

        You don’t understand. You’re just a virtue signaler that won’t volunteer to join the military.

        Do I care? Nope. But i wouldn’t have a problem if there’s a waiver, and keeps them out of combat arms. Can’t take hormones when you’re in a long ass firefight or skirmish. Can’t stop evading from an enemy threat just so you can administer those meds. Convoys won’t risk driving over IEDs just to deliver them.

        They’d be better suited for support roles if anything.

        Keep being butthurt about stuff you don’t understand.

        • webadict@lemmy.world
          3·
          2 days ago

          Imagine calling some a “virtue signaler” and then saying the words “Do I care? Nope.” Lmao.

          So, what’s weird to me is that these people seemed to do just fine in the military, and are now being booted for being trans. So, what’s the problem? I mean, the obvious flaw is that not all trans people have to take hormones, and this ban targets people who don’t take hormones the same as those that do. But even if they did have to take hormones, they were doing fine before, so what’s the issue?

          It seems silly to me that the military, with record low recruitment, would ban a population that has a far higher degree of joining them due to a lot of really shitty factors.

          • Hellsfire29@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            They were able to join because the military lowered their standards because of the low recruitment numbers lol

            • webadict@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 day ago

              Trans people were always joining the military at higher rates, and the reasons why are obvious. They were only able to be openly trans recently, but they have been able to be closeted trans since always. Just like gay people. Don’t ask, don’t tell, amirite?

              When the government literally advertises the military as super masculine, you’re gonna get a lot of people that are either really into being ultra masculine and people that feel like they aren’t being masculine enough, which are certainly attributes that are likely to fit with people that feel gender dysphoria.

              The other reason, of course, is that LGBT people are far more likely to be homeless from being cut off from their friends and family and have few alternatives, and the military is certainly one of the more effective ways to improve your economic situation.

              This ain’t rocket surgery.

  • The_Caretaker@lemm.eeEnglish
    76·
    3 days ago

    I was in the military for over 10 years. A lot of LGBTQ+ people join the military for the same reason White straight men like myself did. They were out of options. I lived in a very rural area with no job or education opportunities and raised by an absentee single mother with no money or property. The military was a way out. Many LGBTQ+ people had the same situation as me. Many others were shunned or disowned by their families and had no other way to get ahead. Their families refused to care for them just for being gay. I served with many people who were as flamboyantly gay as you can get in a combat uniform and I never saw an issue. Never had any reason to doubt their intent or integrity. The people who caused the most problems were other White straight men, especially those from southern states.

  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    56·
    3 days ago

    magats be like:

    • Ban trans people
    • Ban gay/lesbian people
    • Ban non-whites
    • Ban women
    • Ban non christians

    In 2026: Rebel army is made of Non-Christians, People of Colour, Women, LGBT people.

    Also magats: surprised pikachu face

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      23·
      3 days ago

      You forgot a few more people

      • Catholics
      • Protestants who dont follow the church of Trump
      • Neurodivergant people
      • Class conscious workers
      • Immigrants
      • Non anglo-saxons
      • Non Republicans
      • Republicans that follow any faction other than Trumpism
    • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      3 days ago

      Fuck it.

      Let’s ban all the liberals and queers and women and fems and educated, too. Then let’s get a draft going and set no minimum or maximum age. Let’s start making all our own equipment and you know let’s just not give them anything. Then let’s get into a war with China and not use drones or ai or tanks. Ohh noooooo, all the shitty people diiieedd. Sorry China, we take it back. Yeah, all those rules we changed, it didn’t work out. Oh well. NO MAGATS. VOTING TIME.

    • febra@lemmy.world
      4·
      2 days ago

      As much as it pains me to see fellow queer folk get discriminated against, I think it’s for the better for all of humanity to have a weaker US military.

  • vrojak@feddit.org
    88·
    4 days ago

    When there are fewer LGBT people in the military, then there will also be less resistance from within when the military is used to oppress that very same group. I suspect that might be a reason for the ban. Also I guess there’d be less chance for a coup, but I don’t know how likely that is to begin with.

    • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
      36·
      3 days ago

      The military is all about indoctrination which is the polite word for “brainwashing”. Our trans friends in the armed forces are just as unlikely to stop stomping on necks as anyone else.

      Nah, this is just general hate toward the Ts (expect the Ls, Bs, Gs, Qs, and +s to follow).

  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
    7·
    4 days ago

    “An unprecedented degree of animus towards transgender people animates and permeates the ban: it is based on the shocking proposition that transgender people do not exist,” the lawyers wrote.

    Someone needs to hire new lawyers cause that’s not even being discussed.

      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        11·
        3 days ago

        They are a transphobe. Even tagged then as such the previous time they tried to pass off their hate as “just stuff everyone knows is true”.

        I wouldn’t bother.

        Edited to add: Yeah, see reply, they just keep going. “If being transphobic makes me a transphobe then words have lost meaning” is… Well, something.

        Tag accuracy confirmed!

        • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          Edited to add: Yeah, see reply, they just keep going. “If being transphobic makes me a transphobe then words have lost meaning” is… Well, something.

          Acknowledging that males and females are different makes someone transphobic in your mind, does it?

          • barsoap@lemm.ee
            5·
            2 days ago

            There could, in fact, not be the category of trans if there was no gender binary. Without the moon, no cis- and translunar orbits. A boundary has to exist before it is possible to cross it or, indeed, stay within it.

            That boundary is a quite bit fuzzy because gender is a bimodal distribution: Two bell curves which meet in the middle. But it clearly is there, those two humps clearly exist, they may apply to no individual but they apply, statistically, to the population as a whole, and as we’re individuals and not statistics where shit gets stupid is when people are saying “you’re on that side of the graph in aspect X, therefore you must be on the same side in aspect Y”: It’s trying to enforce a strict boundary when things are, well, fuzzy. Multi-dimensional, at the very least. There’s women with beards and men who can give birth. There always have been, and if that scares you then you should learn to live and let live.

            • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              “Trans” means people who are one sex who think they are the other, or think they are a “gender” different to what their sex determined gender is. That’s fine, they can identify themselves however they want in terms of “gender identity”.

              Gender as it is now used is basically a “feeling”. It’s not scientific. It’s not based on science or biology or anything tangible. It’s literally just feelings. This is why there should not be any laws based on “gender”, but instead all based on sex - when anyone can change their gender at any time, basing anything on gender is completely pointless.

              Sex is not “fuzzy”. There are 2 sexes, male and female. 2 gametes. 2 chromosomes. These “men” who can give birth are females/women who “identify” as the gender of “man”.

              For the bearded women, facial hair doesn’t determine sex.

              • barsoap@lemm.ee
                5·
                2 days ago

                Sex is not “fuzzy”. There are 2 sexes, male and female. 2 gametes. 2 chromosomes.

                That’s not even covering karyotypes, much less phenotypes. Read up on the actual biology before making BS claims like that.

                • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
                  3·
                  2 days ago

                  Dunno if you deleted your comment or what but I have the notification for it so I’ll reply to this one:

                  XXY karotypes exist, sure - that would be a male with a DSD. All DSDs affect either a male or a female. They are disorders that affect one or both sexes, not different sexes.

                  Phenotypes are whole irrelevant. They’re just observable traits , like height or eye colour. There are no “female sex determining phenotypes”.

                  It all is very complex, but the number of sexes isn’t - male and female are all there is.

                  Also you used a fungus as an example of 20k sexes? This is incorrect. There are “20k” mating types, not sexes.

                • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  There are 2 sexes, factually. If you can show a third that has ever existed in any creature on earth you would win a Nobel prize.

          • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
            2·
            2 days ago

            It’s meaningless to you because you choose not to give it meaning, it has a very obvious, static meaning to people who live in reality.

              • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                It’s true that some people over-use those terms, but that doesn’t make them untrue accusations every time. Like this time for instance!

                • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
                  2·
                  2 days ago

                  but that doesn’t make them untrue accusations every time.

                  Sure, but most of the time it does - like this time for instance! Nothing I have said is transphobic. If you think it has been, could you please quote it and show me how it is? I’m always keen to learn.

          • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
            2·
            3 days ago

            It seems like maybe you don’t. Please explain to me how what I said is wrong? If their position is that trans people don’t exist, how can they ban them from the military?

                • Ava@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
                  5·
                  3 days ago

                  It’s not saying “gender dysphoria is not a diagnosis that exists anywhere” it’s saying “believing yourself to be transgender is a substantial enough mental illness and flaw in character so as to preclude military service.”

                  This claims that having gender dysphoria is some sort of deficiency, and not just a non-standard identifier. This invalidates the identity of trans people, and calls into question their legitimacy.

          • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.auEnglish
            4·
            3 days ago

            Yes, this is. This is about making people with gender dysphoria ineligible for military service, the same way people with many other conditions are.

            It has nothing to do with pronouns. It has nothing to do with same sex attraction. It has nothing to do with whatever else you want to pretend it does.