“God is the Greatest. Death to America. Death to Israel. Curse be upon the Jews. Victory for Islam”
-The Houthi Militia Slogan
I agree we need a new opposition party but it cannot be lead by the kinds of clowns who are so poorly educated that they think that the Houthi are the victims here. Those racist assclowns started the civil war that has been killing Yemenis for years now. Even Iran is telling them to stop attacking ships.
“they’re bad guys, so it’s ok to level apartment buildings full of civilians” is the kind of reasoning that Americans love to employ against non white countries, but would get real unhappy if it was employed against them
We bombed civilian water supplies and infrastructure which led to over 300K dead. Far worse than the official figures from Gaza. No, we do not have the moral high ground to criticize the houthis. We are in fact more amoral and bloodthirsty than them. 👊🇺🇸🔥
The actions of the USA can be unacceptable without making the criminality of the Houthi acceptable.
Anyone arguing that there is any moral high ground for the Houthi to grab will have to explain how stealing the food out if the hands of starving children is an acceptable action because that’s a common thing for them to do.
We armed the Saudis and provided targeting for them to destroy Yemeni water supplies and other civilian infrastructure. We then also blockaded and starved the people of Yemen which led to +300k dead.
I also don’t trust the accusation that the Ansarallah deliberately starved their own people when it comes from the nation causing the food shortage in the first place. Its far more likely that they seized aide to distribute themselves to maintain loyalty. Not a moral practice but I’ve only ever said that we are worse.
Ok so the Saudis purchased arms from is that they used to attack the Houti after the Houthi started the civil war and after they attacked KSA.
You are assigning the total dead in the Yemeni Civil War to Saudi Arabia and not the party that literally started the war, why? How can the people drawn into the war be responsible for all the dead and not the party that started the conflict? It is a civil war after all.
I would suggest you look into the history of this conflict since you keep claiming the perpetrators of the conflict are somehow victims.
The civil war started with the Arab spring the ousting of the president and the installation of a Saudi puppet against the wishes of the original protestors. Ansarallah formed as a response to that and even got the support of the original president. They have shown more interest in the well being of Yemeni people than Saudi Arabia and their genocidal campaign against the people of Yemen. Low bar for sure but easily cleared.
The US has backed KSA to the hilt in the conflict just as they have with Israel in Gaza. In a way even more so because the Saudi’s are too fucking stupid to even select their own targets or refuel their jets. We’ve been basically holding their hands the entire way and they still lost.
Like Jesus Christ buddy, I’m an american. If I hadn’t read up on this topic before I’d be giving you the bog standard jingoism that radiates this country.
The Civil War started when The Houthi Militia attacked the capital. They are the perpetrators of the whole conflict suggesting otherwise would be akin to suggesting it was the union’s fault that the confederates attacked Fort Sumner despite the obvious fact that one side started shooting first which in Yemen’s case is The Houthi.
You looked it up in what sources because it seems like you used trash tier ones.
They resisted against the brutal Saudi puppet government, and have been resisting genocide ever since.
Yemen has been undergoing a US-Saudi backed genocide for years
Guterres put the crisis in stark perspective, emphasizing the near complete lack of security for the Yemeni people. More than 22 million people out of a total population of 28 million are in need of humanitarian aid and protection. Eighteen million people lack reliable access to food; 8.4 million people “do not know how they will obtain their next meal.”
As of February 2018, according to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, the coalition had killed 6,000 people in airstrikes and wounded nearly 10,000 more.
Yet, according to the OHCHR report, these counts are conservative. Tens of thousands of Yemenis have also died from causes related to the war. According to Save the Children, an estimated 85,000 children under five may have died since 2015, with more than 50,000 child deaths in 2017 alone from hunger and related causes.
Besides Saudi Arabia, the coalition attacking Yemen includes the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Sudan, Kuwait and Bahrain. Qatar was part of the coalition but is no longer.
Based on the information available to it using open sources, YDP reports that two-thirds of the coalition’s bombing attacks have been against non-military and unknown targets. The coalition isn’t accidentally attacking civilians and civilian infrastructure – it’s doing it deliberately.
The air and naval blockade, in effect since March 2015, “is essentially using the threat of starvation as a bargaining tool and an instrument of war,” according to the UN panel of experts on Yemen.
The coalition’s genocide in Yemen would not be possible without the complicity of the U.S. This has been a bipartisan presidential effort, covering both the Obama and Trump administrations.
U.S. arms are being used to kill Yemenis and destroy their country. In 2016, well after the coalition began its genocidal assault on Yemen, four of the top five recipients of U.S. arms sales were members of the coalition.
The U.S. has also provided the coalition with logistical support, including mid-air refueling, targeting advice and support, intelligence, expedited munitions resupply and maintenance.
The ‘Curse upon the Jews’ part of the slogan is completely unacceptable, any conflation of Zionism and Judaism is. There are plenty of things the Houthis do that is also completely unacceptable, utilizing child soldiers is another major one. There are plenty of things they deserve to be criticized on, and human rights organizations do a great job documenting and communicating those atrocities.
This isn’t about good guys or bad guys. This is about an entire population subjected to a genocide. There are plenty of reasons to not like the Houthis, but that doesn’t change the reality that they only exist as a resistance to the ongoing genocide. The point isn’t that the Houthis are good, it’s that the genocide, facilitated by the US and our Ally Saudi Arabia, is significantly worse by multiple magnitudes.
The root cause of the problem is still the genocide, that’s a much bigger concern, especially to the people of Yemen, than to stop or reform the Houthis themselves. They can only be addressed in a realistic way, by the people of Yemen, once the genocide ends.
The Houthi literally started the civil war when they broke the coalition government they were a part of and attacked the capital.
The Houthi are not freedom fighters looking to remove an oppressive government. They are in fact looking to replace who is wearing the jackboot on the throats of the population nothing more.
I’m not a fan of the Houthis, but these people are really the equivalent of American guntoting Y’alliban. They like their guns and they like their free speech and they hate foreign countries propping up dictators who oppress them.
The slogan eventually became a sign of public protest against the dictatorship of Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh… The Houthi movement officially adopted the slogan in the wake of the widely condemned 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq. This brought the movement on a collision course with the government, as the government maintained its official pro-American politics despite public opposition. The slogan was outlawed. The Houthis refused to discard it, arguing that the constitution of Yemen protected free speech. By 2004, crackdowns against both the slogan as well as the Houthi movement intensified. Many Houthis were imprisoned and even tortured for having used it.
They like their guns and they like their free speech and they hate foreign countries propping up dictators who oppress them.
That is a grossly inaccurate representation of who the Houthi are. The Houthi Militia are NOT freedom fighters as they are looking to oppress other Yemeni ethnic groups.
This isn’t a case of good ol boys standing up to imperialism, rather it is a group of racist bigots attacking boats that are typically not involved in any conflict.
I certainly don’t think the Y’alliban are freedom fighters.
I am no fan of the Houthis, but you can’t just ignore that they were also oppressed by a dictator propped up by the USA and that they suffered one of the worst famines in the 21st century thanks to the USA and Saudi-Arabia.
The Houthi started the civil war when the coalition government refused to cede them more authority. They regularly steal aide intended for non-combatants.
There’s no version of the Houthi’s suffering that isn’t entirely derived from their actions.
It isn’t sarcastic. The aide orgs have been blaming the Houthi for stealing aide for the entirety of the conflict. KSA’s army has been preventing it from entering Yemen so the Houthi cannot steal more of it.
Regardless the folks backing the Houthi are just uncritically mimicking old Iranian propaganda.
It always seems a bit weird to me when people who’ve been forced into the worst kind of deprivation are the ones taking the blame for what that desperation has driven them to do, instead of the US and Saudi Arabia, who’ve purposefully created a situation where millions are starving.
I don’t have specific-enough knowledge of Yemen to speak authoritatively, but I am well aware of the US involvement and what the partnership with the SA has done to these people in a general sense, so it feels like proper credit should be assigned here.
“God is the Greatest. Death to America. Death to Israel. Curse be upon the Jews. Victory for Islam” -The Houthi Militia Slogan
I agree we need a new opposition party but it cannot be lead by the kinds of clowns who are so poorly educated that they think that the Houthi are the victims here. Those racist assclowns started the civil war that has been killing Yemenis for years now. Even Iran is telling them to stop attacking ships.
“they’re bad guys, so it’s ok to level apartment buildings full of civilians” is the kind of reasoning that Americans love to employ against non white countries, but would get real unhappy if it was employed against them
And yet Ansarallah holds the moral high ground because they oppose genocide and we sponsor it. Sucks doesn’t it?
As they started a civil war and regularly steal the aide for non-combatants they don’t have a moral high ground.
We bombed civilian water supplies and infrastructure which led to over 300K dead. Far worse than the official figures from Gaza. No, we do not have the moral high ground to criticize the houthis. We are in fact more amoral and bloodthirsty than them. 👊🇺🇸🔥
We did not kill 300k in Yemen.
The actions of the USA can be unacceptable without making the criminality of the Houthi acceptable.
Anyone arguing that there is any moral high ground for the Houthi to grab will have to explain how stealing the food out if the hands of starving children is an acceptable action because that’s a common thing for them to do.
We armed the Saudis and provided targeting for them to destroy Yemeni water supplies and other civilian infrastructure. We then also blockaded and starved the people of Yemen which led to +300k dead.
I also don’t trust the accusation that the Ansarallah deliberately starved their own people when it comes from the nation causing the food shortage in the first place. Its far more likely that they seized aide to distribute themselves to maintain loyalty. Not a moral practice but I’ve only ever said that we are worse.
Kill the jingoist in your head.
Ok so the Saudis purchased arms from is that they used to attack the Houti after the Houthi started the civil war and after they attacked KSA.
You are assigning the total dead in the Yemeni Civil War to Saudi Arabia and not the party that literally started the war, why? How can the people drawn into the war be responsible for all the dead and not the party that started the conflict? It is a civil war after all.
I would suggest you look into the history of this conflict since you keep claiming the perpetrators of the conflict are somehow victims.
The civil war started with the Arab spring the ousting of the president and the installation of a Saudi puppet against the wishes of the original protestors. Ansarallah formed as a response to that and even got the support of the original president. They have shown more interest in the well being of Yemeni people than Saudi Arabia and their genocidal campaign against the people of Yemen. Low bar for sure but easily cleared.
The US has backed KSA to the hilt in the conflict just as they have with Israel in Gaza. In a way even more so because the Saudi’s are too fucking stupid to even select their own targets or refuel their jets. We’ve been basically holding their hands the entire way and they still lost.
Like Jesus Christ buddy, I’m an american. If I hadn’t read up on this topic before I’d be giving you the bog standard jingoism that radiates this country.
The Civil War started when The Houthi Militia attacked the capital. They are the perpetrators of the whole conflict suggesting otherwise would be akin to suggesting it was the union’s fault that the confederates attacked Fort Sumner despite the obvious fact that one side started shooting first which in Yemen’s case is The Houthi.
You looked it up in what sources because it seems like you used trash tier ones.
oh and please explain why you place all the blame on KSA for a war they never started.
Challenge lemmy world: trying to stay a whole day without spotting war crime apologia.
Impossible.
They aren’t bombing “the houthis”, scumbag, they’re bombing civilians
The lemmy world challenge. Try browsing the website without spotting straight up war crime apologia for an entire day (impossible)
They resisted against the brutal Saudi puppet government, and have been resisting genocide ever since.
Yemen has been undergoing a US-Saudi backed genocide for years
The ‘Curse upon the Jews’ part of the slogan is completely unacceptable, any conflation of Zionism and Judaism is. There are plenty of things the Houthis do that is also completely unacceptable, utilizing child soldiers is another major one. There are plenty of things they deserve to be criticized on, and human rights organizations do a great job documenting and communicating those atrocities.
This isn’t about good guys or bad guys. This is about an entire population subjected to a genocide. There are plenty of reasons to not like the Houthis, but that doesn’t change the reality that they only exist as a resistance to the ongoing genocide. The point isn’t that the Houthis are good, it’s that the genocide, facilitated by the US and our Ally Saudi Arabia, is significantly worse by multiple magnitudes.
The root cause of the problem is still the genocide, that’s a much bigger concern, especially to the people of Yemen, than to stop or reform the Houthis themselves. They can only be addressed in a realistic way, by the people of Yemen, once the genocide ends.
The Houthi literally started the civil war when they broke the coalition government they were a part of and attacked the capital.
The Houthi are not freedom fighters looking to remove an oppressive government. They are in fact looking to replace who is wearing the jackboot on the throats of the population nothing more.
I’m not a fan of the Houthis, but these people are really the equivalent of American guntoting Y’alliban. They like their guns and they like their free speech and they hate foreign countries propping up dictators who oppress them.
That is a grossly inaccurate representation of who the Houthi are. The Houthi Militia are NOT freedom fighters as they are looking to oppress other Yemeni ethnic groups.
This isn’t a case of good ol boys standing up to imperialism, rather it is a group of racist bigots attacking boats that are typically not involved in any conflict.
Where did I call them freedom fighters?
I certainly don’t think the Y’alliban are freedom fighters.
I am no fan of the Houthis, but you can’t just ignore that they were also oppressed by a dictator propped up by the USA and that they suffered one of the worst famines in the 21st century thanks to the USA and Saudi-Arabia.
They are Yemeni Nationalists propped up by Iran.
No one has clean hands in this conflict.
They were part of a coalition government that they abandoned when it wouldn’t cede them greater control
This is the important fact to remember about Yemen. The US has been helping SA starve this country at least since 2016. Probably longer.
You should look up what aide orgs on the ground are saying because they universally blame the Houthi and KSA for stealing aid from non-combatants.
Ah yea kinda like hamas is stealing all the food and that’s why palestinians are starving?
Propaganda
I’m sure that has nothing to do with a near decade of forced impoverishment and starvation.
The Houthi started the civil war when the coalition government refused to cede them more authority. They regularly steal aide intended for non-combatants.
There’s no version of the Houthi’s suffering that isn’t entirely derived from their actions.
Thank you for the information. I hope you have a pleasant day.
This reads as sarcastic but given your prior stance you seem completely serious for some reason.
It isn’t sarcastic. The aide orgs have been blaming the Houthi for stealing aide for the entirety of the conflict. KSA’s army has been preventing it from entering Yemen so the Houthi cannot steal more of it.
Regardless the folks backing the Houthi are just uncritically mimicking old Iranian propaganda.
It always seems a bit weird to me when people who’ve been forced into the worst kind of deprivation are the ones taking the blame for what that desperation has driven them to do, instead of the US and Saudi Arabia, who’ve purposefully created a situation where millions are starving.
I don’t have specific-enough knowledge of Yemen to speak authoritatively, but I am well aware of the US involvement and what the partnership with the SA has done to these people in a general sense, so it feels like proper credit should be assigned here.