• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.

    Looks like the headline matches reality.

    You keep spewing totalitarian cacophony, you crazy diamond.

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      A ceasefire for you is when israel can keep committing Genocide and Hamas doesn’t fight back right?

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        A ceasefire is when both sides agree to cease firing. The article headline is quite clearly correct, but I know you aren’t interested in facts.

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          Conveniently ignore that Hamas accepted the ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar, which means that both israel and Hamas very well know what is in the deal.

          A cease fire is when both sides stop firing. Then you need the word deal to get there. Which Hamas has accepted and israel has not.

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            Conveniently ignore that Hamas accepted the ceasefire deal proposed by Egypt and Qatar, which means that both israel and Hamas very well know what is in the deal.

            And Israel says the deal Hamas agreed to isn’t the deal they agreed to. Did you even read the article? Jesus Christ.

            Four downvotes inside of a minute, lmao.

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              Dude has tons of sock puppet accounts. I got downvoted 18 times within minutes of responding to this guy before.

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              Good job you got there!

              Hamas accepts the deal.

              Israel rejects the deal.

              See that’s what the article title should be. Not “complicates things”.

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                Hamas accepts the deal. Israel’s final response is uncertain - they commented that it was not the deal they agreed to, and it is not simply a matter of “Hamas has agreed, the ceasefire can go into effect”. But neither is it a rejection on the Israeli side. It ‘complicates things’.

                Keep trying. You’ll show those big bad Lamestream Media types what for eventually, right?

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                  I have accepted a deal Negotiated by Qatar where @PugJesus gives me all of his money indefinitely, this will go into effect immediately.

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                  Is israel does not accept the ceasefire and invades Rafah after the proposal…

                  Then israel rejects the deal.

                  We’re not in a stalemate position. We’re talking about ignoring it and commencing a massively invasion to Genocide thousands of Palestinians

                  The mental Gymnastics you’re willing to do to defend israels Genocide is absolutely astounding.

                  The new deal accepted by Hamas was even brokered with massive American involvement:

                  The officials claimed CIA director Bill Burns and other Biden administration officials who are involved in the negotiations knew about the new proposal but didn’t tell Israel.

                  Between the lines: Two Israeli officials said Israel is deeply suspicious that the Biden administration gave guarantees to Hamas through the Egyptian and Qatari mediators about its key demand that a hostage deal will lead to the end of the war.

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                    There it is once again. “If you disagree with me, you support genocide”

                    Does it ever get tiring, contorting every conversation into that exact same posture? Or is the pay enough to make it worth your while?

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                    The mental Gymnastics you’re willing to do to defend israels Genocide is absolutely astounding.

                    lmao

                    “The article headline, that the agreement of Hamas creates uncertainty over the ceasefire deal, is literally correct”

                    “YOU’RE DEFENDING GENOCIDE”

                    Absolute brainrot.

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                I accept the deal in which you hand deliver me all of your money.

                When should I be expecting you?

                (For the record, I’m 100% in favour of Israel immediately stopping all offensive action and immediately withdrawing from Gaza and being forced to immediately let aid in)

                But this particular sticking point is kinda nonsense. If both parties aren’t involved in the development of the terms, then it’s just a political stunt to announce you’ve accepted them.

                Israel could JUST as easily draft their own terms, and announce they’ve agreed to them.

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                  Linkerbaan thinks October 7th was legitimate resistance and the most precise irregular operation in modern military history. I guess all those civilians were Secret Zionist Spies. You’re not going to get through to them.

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      Linkerbaan vs PugJesus. Linkerbaan ratio is 5, PugJesus ratio is 2. Draw is 1. Results at 10pm.

      On the serious note: An accessible link would be appreciated.

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        Wayback machine cuts off early, but this is what it gives:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20240506193731/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/06/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-talks.html

        The announcement by Hamas on Monday that it had accepted terms of a cease-fire added to the uncertainty that began over the weekend, when officials said that the armed group and Israel had reached an impasse after months of talks.

        As if to underscore that the fighting would continue, Hamas militants on Sunday launched rockets from Rafah, their last stronghold in Gaza, killing four Israeli soldiers. The following morning, Israel announced a mass evacuation of areas in Rafah, escalating fears that the military would soon begin a long-anticipated invasion of the crowded city.

        Hours later, Hamas suddenly announced that its leader, Ismail Haniyeh, had accepted a cease-fire proposal based on a plan proffered by Egypt and Qatar, which have been mediating the negotiations with Israel. The terms Hamas had agreed to were not immediately clear, but a senior Israeli official quickly said that the terms were not those that Israel had agreed to.

        While Israel and its main ally, the United States, said they were reviewing the proposal Hamas had agreed to, the public statements by the two sides in the war suggest that they remain far apart on key issues needed to reach a truce. Here is a look at those differences.

        Hamas wants a permanent cease-fire. Israel wants a temporary truce. The two sides are stuck on a fundamental question: will this cease-fire be a temporary pause to allow an exchange of hostages for prisoners or a long-term end to the fighting that would leave Hamas in power?

        Israel insists on a temporary cease-fire, saying it will keep fighting afterward with the eventual aim of toppling Hamas’s rule in Gaza. Hamas demands a permanent cease-fire and vows to remain in power there.

        AP is saying the same thing.

        https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0

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          Thank you. It kinda sounds like there is a lack of information on what Hamas agreed to, for which I saw a post saying release of 33 hostages for 40 days of ceasefire. Can’t find it atm tho, the post may have vanished if it weren’t backed up with news.