kamala Harris, as a da, locked people up and refused parole to keep them as slaves fighting fires.

mod says it’s misinfo (probably without fact checking) and removes the comment

update:

idk how I was doing mod abuse

  • NSRXN@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    as a da, then as ag, she sent people to prison.

    she kept them there specifically to exploit their labor.

    what I posted was true.

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      Except she didn’t keep them there because the effort by her office was denied in court, and her job was to lock people up. She didn’t prosecute people with the intent to make them fight fires and she didn’t get to deny them parole.

      She sucks because of being in favor of shitty laws and being pro punishment for non-violent crime, but this specific thing you said is not accurate.

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        Oh yeah the American legal system and prison-industrial-complex are notorious for arresting only criminals and not just anyone off the street for say existing while black.

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          Stop diluting the word “Nazi.” All it does is water down the meaning and provide cover for the real Nazis.

          Being an authoritarian does not make someone a Nazi.

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              Then you’re literally just helping them by playing their game of co-opting terms with definite meanings.

              Congratulations on helping Nazis. You are part of the problem.

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                I don’t know how you think calling a cop whose excuse is they’re just doing their job dilutes the term Nazi for you, but I’m most definitely not helping nazis

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                  That’s not what a Nazi is. That’s an authoritarian. All Nazis are authoritarians but not all authoritarians are Nazis. Nazis didn’t and don’t do the horrible things they do because they’re authoritarians, they do them because they’re extremist ideologues; their particular brand of authoritarianism emerges from that ideology.

                  Authoritarianism, on the other hand, could come from a genuine place of wanting to keep people safe. That doesn’t make it right or admirable, but the impetus behind it is not harmful, only the way in which that desire is enacted.

                  By saying they’re the same thing, you’re playing their game where Nazis can hide behind the less extreme term.

                  You can be anti-authoritarian without being needlessly hyperbolic to the detriment of the point you’re trying to make.

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                    she literally locked up undesirables in slave labor prisons under the guise of enforcing the law and just doing her job. this adherence to the law, regardless of true justice, is exactly what made every Nazi, down to the paper pushers, evil, and I won’t pull punches just because some of the Nazis held racial animous or were the ones actually operating the gas chambers.

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      She didn’t send people to prison. The judges did that. She just successfully argued that they should do it. What you posted was not true.

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          No, you are. A person who’s job it is to convince judges to put people in jail runs on their record of convincing the judges to do so is … unsurprising.

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            No, this is false. Her job was/is fundamentally to help ensure justice is administered, it is not to convince a judge (or a jury) to put people in jail.

            Plenty of AGs have run on not enforcing specific unjust laws.

            You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system.

            And yes Kamala was and continues to be a horrible human being. She never would have survived a primary for this reason.

            We literally denied Nazis the defense of ‘I was just following orders’ for good reasons. Just because kamala’s actions were slightly less damning doesnt change the fact she made the personal choice to make those arguments in court.

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              You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system.

              No, you do. It is an adversarial system. Prosecuting attorneys… prosecute. Defense attorneys… defend. It is the jury that decides factual guilt or lack thereof, and the judges who sentence. ALL of these roles put the furtherance of justice as their #1 priority, or should at least.

              If you want to argue she is responsible for some sort of prosecutorial misconduct, I will listen. To say she put people in prison without a guilty verdict and judge’s sentence gives her authority she doesn’t and shouldn’t have and to argue otherwise is a “fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system”.

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                Child, an AG has the power to decide which cases they decide to prosecute. They don’t need to prosecute any case they don’t want to. In fact you’ll often see AGs decline to prosecute cases. take a look at texas’ current asshole AG as a great example of this. Or the current DOJ over the next few years.

                Kamala choose to prosecute those cases and choose to make the arguments that her department made. Trying to claim that just because part of the role of an AG is to make a case against defendents completely ignores the reality of how they choose which cases to prosecute in the first place.

                To say she put people in prison without a guilty verdict and judge’s sentence gives her authority she doesn’t and shouldn’t have and to argue otherwise is a “fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system”.

                Again you’re demonstrating your fundamental misunderstanding of how the legal system works quite blatantly here.

                1. She choose to prosecute people which non-violent drug use crimes. drugs for which the majority of americans can now access legally.
                2. Prosecutors often make sentencing recommendations too the judge.

                When an AG declines to prosecute a case that defendant will not end up in jail. this is just a fact. I’m not arguing she has authority over the judges final determination, I’m saying she had the authority to pick and choose which cases and arguments the department she led made.

                So yes, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal system and you’re denying kamala had agency in the decisions her department made which is absolutely moronic.

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                  You know you’ve lost the argument when you need to resort to insults. What’s it like losing to a ‘child’ at your age?

                  Edit: oh, and here’s something that might cause your head to explode so read with caution.

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                    child, that article is exactly my point. once you grow up and your frontal cortex starts to mature maybe you’ll make the connection between kamala’s decision as an AG in deciding to charge people with victimless crimes and preventing parole because of labor shortages and that judge’s sentencing decisions.

                    They’re identical expressions of the same concept. we didnt tolerate ‘just doing my job’ at the nuremberg trials either.

                    Both the judge and kamala exercised their powers of discretion in incredibly improper ways.