see she could also have said: I’ll happily address your concerns at the end, please feel free to stay until then. and then done so. instead they’re escorted away and she never mentions the issue again. shes trying to ignore the issue and its going to cost her, maybe it costs her the election, maybe it doesn’t we wont know until the votes are in. sadly it cost her my vote, but im not in a swing state.

We’re are not backing trump either. you just have to live without our support. if you have enough votes great. meanwhile many of these people may vote third party and vote for dems down ticket; as I did. which is still a win overall for dems, just means harris might have less votes. which if they’re in a state like i am that is 20+ lean dem a non-issue for harris.

while we like bernie he doesnt control our votes. harris can re-earn our votes if she wins and about faces on the issue. if she doesnt win, well thats on her for her decisions on a number of issues that would have personally caused my vote to be cast for her. none of which she was willing to give.

people are scanning, it happens, done it myself. the problem is people are so scared of harris losing they’re attacking people who have no interest in supporting harris as a result of this issue and think that will someone get them to vote harris. shrug

if harris loses she loses and thats on her. she wants to play the law and order candidate while simultaneously not committing to upholding the laws we have on the books and enabling a genocide well thats on her.

Can’t help that shes committing the same errors of judgement that biden did and we didn’t support him either after he started breaking strikes and enabling genocide.

No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel’s genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.

They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

edit: I scanned over the she modifier sorry. yes that would be true. but shes no better either.

— remains relevant to others in the thread.

She may lose either way; and you’re an idiot if you think people who are disgusted by us supplying weapons to the genocidal regime in israel are worse than trump.

1. if you’re in a swing state vote harris
2. if you’re in a democratic bastion feel free to vote third party, dont worry the majority of the liberal lemmings will vote for harris.
3. let your reps know you don’t support arming israel while they’re actively committing a genocide and refusing to commit to a cease fire which is against our laws and harris if she wants to claim is in favor of upholding the law needs to back.

I’d rather put boots on the ground to defend israel than let them continue a genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents.

Lets see… harris won’t get my vote beccause shes throwing a minority group under the genocidal bus (among a laundry list of other labor issues) and trump also likes to through minority groups under genocidal bus (along with a train load of other issues). yes, I definitely think trump would do a better job… I think you need to work on your reasoning abilities.

I want people to show up and vote regardless of who they support for president. if genocide is there line in the sand like it is mine then all the more reason to get them to go and not check harris but likely check all the down ballot candidate. The fact harris is failing as a candidate isnt my or their fault. its hers and her useless platform. her job is to get votes if she can’t convince people thats on her. I’ve let her and my critters know whats okay and whats absolutely not okay. now she gets to make her decision on her move.

if she loses thats her fault. not yours, not mine, not anyone who showed up and checked their boxes. Now I need to go and remind my critters since its monday, as ive been doing every work day this month, that genocide is not okay and I know where each of them stands on it and what I expect them to do.

Are you doing the legwork of telling her directly?

yes, every person in my congressional animal pen knows where i stand and that they should pressure her. harris has no personal interest in my vote since she will comfortably win in my state. however my critters know i’m watching them and my friend circle has done the same.

let me be clear here: I have a laundry list of issues with harris’ platform. there is literally nothing on there that I can about directly:

• no health care reform (reducing means testing for medicare/single payer/reducing costs etc)
• no labor reform (mandatory PTO/sick leave/minimum wage increases/non-compete removal, etc)
• no commitment to keeping khan as head of FTC.
• and is willing to genocide a minority group.

my ask from harris is to commit to doing the one thing she can 100% do herself as a president and thats commit to israel’s safety while preventing from them genociding. if that requires giving israel a small bloody nose by not protecting them in the UN and stopping arms shipments. fine and many jews in the US agree on this.

Im telling people vote with their conscience on harris, why? because it’ll get them to the poll booth, jill/claudia might get their vote instead of harris but know what else? the down ballot democrats are more likely to get their vote. thats more important than trump/harris. if trump wins but democrats get the majority in both houses and we keep them we’ll be fine.

You must be looking at a different past than the rest of us.

na just have a different slant. most of the time the democrats run on shitty positions like anti-gun and border nonsense. but ignore things like labor rights, healthcare, and education, and the economy. thats why they lose.

Your entire premise is that your choice will cause a candidate to alter their behavior

yes, because thats how voting works, and why my state is literally a single party state.

I’d wager she checks quite a lot of them, when considering the alternative. Status quo is not ideal, but it is better than marked backsliding, which is what you’re gambling.

no, thats what all of you’re are gambling, including harris, you’ll vote for her because shes not trump. she has your vote. know what votes she doesn’t have? the 100k in michigan whose friends and family are being genocided by her policies.

Which is different than the entire history of the state of Israel how? Your alternatives are an unbroken trend of spineless opposition, and enthusiastic support. I do not consider enthusiastic support to be an acceptable risk in my electoral stratagems.

what the fuck are you going on about? lol no one is saying abandon the jews, just stop giving them weapons until they stop being literally genocidal morons over there. you know, follow our fucking laws on arm sales.

The deaths will not decrease under the alternative evil, in fact they will most certainly increase under the other evil.

you have no idea what evil is. the fact you are trying to brow beat people over a person willing to throw a minority group under the genocidal bus is mind boggling considering all the evil you’re talking about is literally a bunch of minority groups whom have been thrown under various busses. now I have to wonder which other ones will she through under the bus of joy and alleged law and order.

As I said, call your congress critters, demand they stop arms to israel and that they pressure harris and then vote with your heart on election day. if thats jill/claudia/harris it doesn’t matter. I’m more interested in getting people to the booths for all the local and down ballot issues.

now if you don’t support protecting the palestenians and think israel should be slaughtering them then thats on you and you’re far more evil than any person voting 3rd party. I’m just happy they voted regardless of their feelings on harris.

Yarp just sitting with my ballot waiting for her to commit. its a shame really. the MIC may result in the end of american democracy.

Unfortunately, elections are a popularity contest, not a morality test. It doesn’t matter what’s right, it matters what enough voters in the right states approve of.

agreed, and shes losing; all I can do is try and help by telling her what will get mine and apparently other votes.

The difference is that your assumptions are based on pure unsupported fantasy, while mine are based on historical evidence.

the past does not predict the future. but it rhymes. and the past shows the democrats run to the right and lose. looks in harris’ direction

thats, like, your opinion man. all your points are around assumptions about how others will act.

I’ve only made a single claim on how others will act and it was a group that literally said ‘stop the arm shipments to gaza’ and there are 100k of them in an important swing state.

Sure, hold your nose, and when Trump wins you can snuggle say you didn’t directly vote for him, it’s not your fault LGBT people are getting carted off to camps, it’s not your fault women are legally considered breeding stock, it’s not your fault Palestine is a sheet of glass, it’s not your fault we pulled aid from Ukraine and sent it to Israel. Harris should have done more to seduce you into supporting human rights, it’s her fault you helped the greater evil.

correct. you see its a popularity contest, and apparently shes not winning and doesn’t know how to. a shame really. if only the DNC ran a real primary when faced with a historically disliked administration. well you lose some, you win some. but it is a shame and its a shame you wouldn’t put in the effort for all those groups you’re trying to place on my plate. my vote is here for the taking. its a shame she couldn’t check a single box on my list. I hope she pulls it off but for some reason it seems like she wont.

Harris should have done more to seduce you into supporting human rights, it’s her fault you helped the greater evil.

its funny you think your giant list of minority groups who actually have rights and trump wont be able to take them away by himself is more important to me than the 40k people already murdered and million + put at risk by the biden admin inability to have a spine. its why he lost support (among a plethora of other issues, like union busting) and just slapping harris’ name on the top of the ticket won’t change that outcome. sorry but the deaths are the greater evil. I will not choose between the minority groups. you can compromise if you wish I won’t.

Israel is an ally.

Yes, we call this ‘enabling’ and its bad. if my friend goes and murders someone in cold blood I don’t go ‘oh well they’re my friend’ I fucking turn them in so they can get the help they clearly need.

She can’t get those easy votes without losing votes from moderate Israel-supporters.

No one is asking her to not protect israel. but fun fact: they’re not moderates if they’re supporting a genocide.

Well then your actions are irrational because they do not help accomplish your goal, despite your fantasies to the contrary.

thats, like, your opinion man. all your points are around assumptions about how others will act. personally I only decide how I can act. and seems like others agree with me and not you since harris can’t find votes.

Eh, she needs enough votes. She doesn’t need yours specifically. If she can’t get yours, she’ll shill to moderates to get theirs, because strategically that’s much smarter than alienating a large, reliable bloc in order to gain a portion of the much smaller, much less reliable bloc you represent.

you actually don’t know that. and neither does she. shes just scared as are you. I’m about as reliable as they come for votes; I show up every year and vote for people who represent me. if there are none, I show up for the ballot initiatives and leave the candidates blank. Its hardly my fault the DNC didn’t run a real primary to find the best candidate this year because we know harris wouldn’t have won.

Done, like a year ago.

samesies, do it again, repeatedly this week. =) they weren’t willing to do shit a year ago because they didn’t need the votes. now is the time to give them permission.

This is pure nonsense. On multiple levels.

yes, pure nonesense.

not my fault harris is floundering for votes. I can’t help that shes committed to a platform that has historically low approval and is unwilling to commit to anything not even a bar as low as ‘not commiting genocide’ shrug.

if she had a solid platform she wouldn’t be floundering. I can’t do anything about that except clearly broadcast my expectations to the democratic party. which i’m doing daily. you are of course free to do nothing. but harris needs votes to win and I’m letting her know how to get mine. balls in her court.

heres my fence, lets see if she can get over it!

smile magic mushrooms are a treatment for depression that was widely available and frequently used. no prescription needed and SSRIs which were invented in the 90s are the closest analog we have available today because of nixon. the lack of mental health infrastructure is pointless if you’ve banned the only effective treatment for 40 years.

but yes, also bad regan.

My conscience won’t allow me to sit aside while the fascist party wins

well clearly it will and so does harris’ since shes unwilling to commit to not enabling a genocide. pretty low bar shes failing to step over to get some easy votes. no one has said she isn’t allowed to defend israel if they’re attacked. shes just needs to commit to enforcing the law on the books about supplying arms to countries commiting genocide.

And you’re correct no one can compel me to vote rationally. the funny thing about acting rationally is that the definition of rationality is that it depends on the goal. My goal is to get harris to commit to upholding our laws on not selling to genocidal maniacs like bibi. Harris needs my vote (and others) to do so. just like she needs my vote to protect all those groups you mentioned, which if she was committing to a policy that endangered them I’d do the same thing.

first they came for the palestinians, but I was not a palestinian so I didn’t speak out… seem familiar?

so email your critters let them know you support a embargo on israel and that you want harris to make a commitment in the next week and if she does you have my vote and likely 40K minimum more in a swing state. worry about the zionists another day they’ll be fine. all you need to do is give harris permission. go forth and do so, repeatedly daily for the next week.

They’re all depressed. seriously we can again blame nixon for the drug war and the subsequent rise in depression in our culture. (hint: shrooms, go take them)

have you done the leg work of letting your congress critters know you don’t support biden or harris on israel and that we need to implement an arms embargo? if not gtfo. until then I will continue to advocate people vote with their conscience. because I have done the work. biden/harris are blinking we need to push harder before the end of the month. I’m literally sitting here with my ballot waiting for harris to make an announcement prior to voting.

she has until the end of the week to earn my vote. 🤞 ;)

media is just an amplifier. but yes you could make such an argument; though its deeper than that.

Yes, and most of her funding is coming from known individuals who want exactly the opposite of what I want (khan, healthcare reform, decriminalization). trust is not a commodity to freely give to politicians and she sure as hell hasnt earned it historically or through a primary.

Incorrect. she has said plenty on gaza. for example she has said she’ll remain committed to supporting israel’s war, that they have a right to our weapons and support. shes remained uncommitted on khan and other policy issues. I dont see why I should support a candidate with such a questionable moral compass and a well known history for prosecuting weed crimes and being a corporate bootlicker. 🤷 but again your vote is your vote. just don’t removed about your candidate losing when she can’t even clear a basic human decency bar of fucking not enabling genocide.

its because their corporate owners don’t want to have to implement left wing economic policies for the good of the nation. unfortunately we’ll continue to have fascist bogey men until people start holding dems accountable.

na you just dont know how to relax and have a good time in an environment you don’t enjoy. clearly trump does. the guy is a danger to the country but this isn’t a thing we need to waste our time on, just makes you look like a incredibly maladjusted person.