biden was already illegally detaining and deporting immigrants. this is nothing new.
my country received weekly planes filled with shackled people they deported back without explanation or their belongings. the concentration camps at the borders were a thing too.
i also recall black vans abducting and dissappearing protesters in both the trump and biden terms.
just because he wasnt boasting about it openly, doesnt mean it wasnt already fascism. you can’t vote fascism away, especially when the options presented are fascism and diet fascism.
The concentration camps Trump set up his first term, then Biden had to spend his time trying to reel back and reconnect kids with their family but took waaay longer cause everything was so fucked up? Again, due to Republicans.
Also, immigrants have been deported loooooong before Biden came to term. That’s been a forever thing, made easier by the patriot act, which was implemented by Bush, a republican.
But again, this is about one side boasting about taking over 300 legal college age immigrants that spoke out against the current administration. And said side bragging about how it’s going to continue. All for speaking out against a genocide THAT YOUR SIDE APPARENTLY HOLDS IN SUCH HIGH REGARD.
That has never happened under democrat reign. No white washing or lies you tell will make that true
How come Republicans can break any laws they want and obstruct everything Democrats try to accomplish when they’re out of power, but Democrats are powerless to inhibit Trump even slightly?
Because MAGA and co are doing things that are unprecedented. And when democrats try to do anything, not only are they strong armed by MAGA, but the people thelat are supposedly on their side complain that it’s never good enough.
It’s literally impossible for Democrats to win when one side hails one person as king and the other can’t even decide on who may possibly be good enough to think about doing the right thing
again, the boasting does not matter in the grand scheme of things. and all the grandstanding, including pretending to be undoing the brutality of the concentration camps, is meaningless.
Also, immigrants have been deported loooooong before Biden came to term.
exactly what i mean, summed up. fascist country has always done fascist shit, and somehow the “heroes” try so hard but are always unable to undo it, while the fascists always get their way immediatly. i wonder why THAT is 🤔
its almost like, again, you can’t vote fascism away.
Because one side bands together and makes sure whatever their leader wants he gets, and the other side is not only fighting against dirty tactics from the opposition but can’t get the support from most of the people who hate the same opposition.
One person on their side goes against what Trump wants and they’re publicly ridiculed. On the democrat side, no matter what the leader does it’s going to make most of the like minded people mad in some way and causes in fighting.
Cause this definitely would not have been happening if they had won AND Trump wants to kill all everyone in Gaza for his own benifit with American control so the genocide point is moot!
Everyone downvoting me is in denial about how much they fucked everybody
I don’t live in the US, but I do read serious history and keep up with news outside of your warhawk corporate media. The only difference to us has been that your dumbfuck president doesn’t know how to do like democrats and find a nice way to say why he’s bombing, jailing, killing, stealing from the rest of the world.
Absolutely none of this shit is new, just now CNN and the NYT and the Atlantic are acknowledging it happens and liberals can finally pretend the great big industrial murder machine was built in a day by Trump and not a day before he came in.
This thread is literally about the government detaining legal immigrants who were opposing the genocide. Which party is detaining them?
Would this still have happened if the democrats won? Cause the war in Gaza is still going on, and the Orange man now wants the property for himself so all the Gazians need to go! So seems like your whining all the time has actually caused things to get worse! Congrats
The democrats put the laws in place to persecute protestors and they absolutely detained them before Trump ever got there, back when y’all were denying genocide. Stop pretending your country is only a fascist apartheid state when there’s a guy you didn’t vote for at the helm.
Stealing votes? Lmao are you fr? Did the fucking hamburglar sneak into the ballot box and swipe em? Democrats aren’t owed a fucking thing. I swear you libs forget that they’re supposed to convince you to vote for them, not chide and shame you into saying “yes master thank you master so kind of you master” when they roll out the latest piece of shit Wall Street picked for you.
Wisconsin and Michigan could have potentially flipped states if it was solely Biden vs Trump. Lost by 1%, and in both cases independents got combined more that 1% of the vote.
Just the first 2 stars in looked at though.
Let’s not even go into all the people that were bashing Biden and Harris getting others to belive they’re evil and not to vote for them.
So, I literally just went to 2 states and looked if the independent vote total was greater than the difference between the the 2 main candidates. Was it perfect, no, but it was late and I didn’t notice you answered earlier.
But every 3rd party vote was thrown away. Cause they’re no second, third, or fourth place. So in a race for first, where the first place winner is a shit show for most everyone if one guy wins, people spent their time and energy urging everyone to vote for someone besides Harris.
All this to say, your side fractured us too much and now the side that wants to kill us both is in charge.
Fascist apologia from libs, who could have seen that coming? If y’all really believed marxist leninists and fascists were the same you would have already resisted fascists like you would if y’all saw black people getting reparations or indigenous people getting their land back.
Didn’t you hear Schumer? The function of the Democratic Party is to sheepdog the left into supporting genocide. Democrats aren’t even trying acting as an opposition and he voted to keep Trump’s government open.
Okay, but if I pull a lever it will do the same thing as if Chuck Shuemer pulled the lever.
To be clear, I guess this saying applies more to production machinery rather than more complex machines like cranes with a ton of different levers. The lever on a welding press does one thing and you can’t make it do something else by pulling the lever. A crane can do a ton of stuff because it has lots of levers that do different things - you can even break the machine just by pulling the levers wrong.
On reading your original comment I realised you are right. It doesn’t matter who pulls the lever.
I’m just being a bit oversensitive about dangerous operation of machinery.
They’re saying Schumer is making the decisions for everyone, and if Schumer just changed his vote and made better decisions everything would have been better for the whole party. Is that not correct?
Awesome. Keep throwing that argument out there instead of acknowledging that the party in power is proud they are forcibly detaining legal immigrants and boasting about getting more
Oh, and the president is using his executive powers to say it’s a national emergency what these legal immigrants were saying and doing so he’s allowed to deport them since we’re at war, so even if the government was to shut down the kidnappings would continue.
It definitely hasn’t been brought to attention that democrats aren’t perfect. Forget that if the government did shut down the democrats would be blamed for that too since people would die that way too and all yall want to do is blame the democrats
Actually leftists are what exactly? What socialist theory describes these actual leftists that what, support the second most powerful capitalist political party in the world (Democrats)?
You know it’s amazing how often you see these comments. One would think that the point had been made enough by now. It’s almost as if they’re being purposely reused over and over and over in some kind of effort to keep resistance to the rise a fascism disunified. Like some kind of astroturfing campaign almost, something surely we’ve not seen happen often in the last decade or so…
The utter lack of personal responsibility and reflection a lot of Americans have really makes me think you fuckers are never gonna have a Kollektivschuld moment. Jesus christ.
Yes. Me trying to stop the man who’s CURRENTLY detaining LEGAL immigrants cause he openly said he was going to by wanting to vote in a flawed but immeasurably better and willing to be progressive candidate makes me the irresponsible one.
Meanwhile Biden deported more people than any sitting president ever before, Harris’s biggest campaign promise was “the biggest and most lethal military in the world”, democrats are throwing LGBTQ+ folks under the bus right now and censuring THEIR OWN PEOPLE when they actually have the gall to do the slightest amount of fighting back. And that’s all on top of the ongoing genocide Biden funded and supplied and Harris was 100% committed to continuing and all establishment dems completely support. Both parties are rotten.
Harris would’ve been nothing but another twist to the right for the overton window, and we would inevitably have this exact same sort of fascist administration right after she left office. It would’ve been nothing but kicking the can down the road.
Accelerationism is fucking awful but frankly this current shitshow was inevitable without a complete overhaul of this system. Democrats are a far right forced opposition and nothing will change until we install a far left worker’s party and give all of these capitalist warhawks the boot.
At this point I’m just waiting for a refugee program abroad to open up so we can get the fuck out asap. I have zero hope in this country ever doing anything about this shit, even if the current regime is toppled. Until capitalism is a thing of the past, it’s always going to happen again.
Canada is probably gonna be the plan though honestly. Driving distance, easy on the dogs, minimal culture shock. Just gotta talk with the wife and start seriously planning it out. We slacked on getting our passports renewed last year though, big mistake. Playing it by ear right now - staying and fighting back just seems like a poor option right now while the empire is collapsing on itself.
Well I’m gonna tell you right now, here in Canada there’s zero guarantee that we won’t be embracing this shit show. A lot of people here right now are low key preparing for war with the US, and those that aren’t don’t really understand whats happening with our borders right now. I’m glad people want to come shooting with me now all of a sudden and are only buying Canadian shit with me now. I seem far less unhinged than I did ten years ago haha
Good thing we didn’t vote for Harris! That would have been terrible!
Red or blue, Israel controls you.
i agree. diet fascism would also have been terrible.
Yeah! A mild heart attack that teaches you you need to do better is just as bad as a severe heart attack that kills you!
except it didnt seem like you learned the lesson repeatedly, so a not mild one happened.
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biden was already illegally detaining and deporting immigrants. this is nothing new.
my country received weekly planes filled with shackled people they deported back without explanation or their belongings. the concentration camps at the borders were a thing too.
i also recall black vans abducting and dissappearing protesters in both the trump and biden terms.
just because he wasnt boasting about it openly, doesnt mean it wasnt already fascism. you can’t vote fascism away, especially when the options presented are fascism and diet fascism.
The concentration camps Trump set up his first term, then Biden had to spend his time trying to reel back and reconnect kids with their family but took waaay longer cause everything was so fucked up? Again, due to Republicans.
Also, immigrants have been deported loooooong before Biden came to term. That’s been a forever thing, made easier by the patriot act, which was implemented by Bush, a republican.
But again, this is about one side boasting about taking over 300 legal college age immigrants that spoke out against the current administration. And said side bragging about how it’s going to continue. All for speaking out against a genocide THAT YOUR SIDE APPARENTLY HOLDS IN SUCH HIGH REGARD.
That has never happened under democrat reign. No white washing or lies you tell will make that true
How come Republicans can break any laws they want and obstruct everything Democrats try to accomplish when they’re out of power, but Democrats are powerless to inhibit Trump even slightly?
I know it’s just a meme, but that’s how it is. Meanwhile, democrats can’t do a single thing without half or more of the party getting up in arms
Because MAGA and co are doing things that are unprecedented. And when democrats try to do anything, not only are they strong armed by MAGA, but the people thelat are supposedly on their side complain that it’s never good enough.
It’s literally impossible for Democrats to win when one side hails one person as king and the other can’t even decide on who may possibly be good enough to think about doing the right thing
again, the boasting does not matter in the grand scheme of things. and all the grandstanding, including pretending to be undoing the brutality of the concentration camps, is meaningless.
exactly what i mean, summed up. fascist country has always done fascist shit, and somehow the “heroes” try so hard but are always unable to undo it, while the fascists always get their way immediatly. i wonder why THAT is 🤔
its almost like, again, you can’t vote fascism away.
I really shouldn’t comment on this, but I just can’t help myself.
FIXING THINGS IS HARDER THAN BREAKING THINGS!!!
who woulda thunk it?!? I’d tell you to fuck off, but this is your instance so imma fuck off instead.
and by that I mean I will block anyone who responds to this comment, no iffs ands nor butts.
Because one side bands together and makes sure whatever their leader wants he gets, and the other side is not only fighting against dirty tactics from the opposition but can’t get the support from most of the people who hate the same opposition.
One person on their side goes against what Trump wants and they’re publicly ridiculed. On the democrat side, no matter what the leader does it’s going to make most of the like minded people mad in some way and causes in fighting.
You’re just continuing to make that a reality.
Jesus Christ do democrats ever shut up
About a fuckup of global implications? Well no, they shouldn’t
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Cause this definitely would not have been happening if they had won AND Trump wants to kill all everyone in Gaza for his own benifit with American control so the genocide point is moot!
Everyone downvoting me is in denial about how much they fucked everybody
I don’t live in the US, but I do read serious history and keep up with news outside of your warhawk corporate media. The only difference to us has been that your dumbfuck president doesn’t know how to do like democrats and find a nice way to say why he’s bombing, jailing, killing, stealing from the rest of the world.
Absolutely none of this shit is new, just now CNN and the NYT and the Atlantic are acknowledging it happens and liberals can finally pretend the great big industrial murder machine was built in a day by Trump and not a day before he came in.
Yes. Democrats have always been happy to forcefully detain legal immigrants, i totally forgot!
Get tf out of here with your bad take
Democrats never found a genocide they won’t apologize for
This thread is literally about the government detaining legal immigrants who were opposing the genocide. Which party is detaining them?
Would this still have happened if the democrats won? Cause the war in Gaza is still going on, and the Orange man now wants the property for himself so all the Gazians need to go! So seems like your whining all the time has actually caused things to get worse! Congrats
Things haven’t gotten worse in Gaza, you’ve just stopped denying what’s happening. In that sense, Trump has been better for Gaza.
The democrats put the laws in place to persecute protestors and they absolutely detained them before Trump ever got there, back when y’all were denying genocide. Stop pretending your country is only a fascist apartheid state when there’s a guy you didn’t vote for at the helm.
Oh, you mean the laws put into place by Republican favorite Ron DeSantis? Cause that definitely wasn’t put into place by democrats.
Stop mixing up your timeliness and putting all the blame on democrats
Let me ask you this, what has any third party candidate done recently besides steal votes when it mattered? Where is thier fight now?
Stealing votes? Lmao are you fr? Did the fucking hamburglar sneak into the ballot box and swipe em? Democrats aren’t owed a fucking thing. I swear you libs forget that they’re supposed to convince you to vote for them, not chide and shame you into saying “yes master thank you master so kind of you master” when they roll out the latest piece of shit Wall Street picked for you.
You also didn’t answer the question, you just want to jump on making fun on someone. Very telling
So, what has Jill Stein been up to since receiving her 100% earned and definitely not just put there to cause a distraction among non-MAGA votes?
protesting the genocide in gaza. actually got arrested for it.
Nope, that happened before the election. She only just now received the charges for it this month though
Try again.
oh, in that case, dealing with corrupt officials trying to silence her. it’s just another day for jill.
As if she’s the only one dealing with that
What states did Trump win because Stein votes? Or PSL?
Wisconsin and Michigan could have potentially flipped states if it was solely Biden vs Trump. Lost by 1%, and in both cases independents got combined more that 1% of the vote.
Just the first 2 stars in looked at though.
Let’s not even go into all the people that were bashing Biden and Harris getting others to belive they’re evil and not to vote for them.
So you think the entirety of “independents” are leftists? You’re counting RFK and Libertarian party votes as leftist votes in your calculations?
Also, 312 - 25 (MI + WI) delegates is 287. Trump still wins. Try again.
You and your party clearly didn’t learn anything from 2016 and the reaction + disillusionment to the Obama years.
So, I literally just went to 2 states and looked if the independent vote total was greater than the difference between the the 2 main candidates. Was it perfect, no, but it was late and I didn’t notice you answered earlier.
But every 3rd party vote was thrown away. Cause they’re no second, third, or fourth place. So in a race for first, where the first place winner is a shit show for most everyone if one guy wins, people spent their time and energy urging everyone to vote for someone besides Harris.
All this to say, your side fractured us too much and now the side that wants to kill us both is in charge.
You’re Laughing Your Ass Off in a thread about the government openly bragging about deporting legal immigrants but yeah democrats are the baddies
Reminder: Biden still put immigrant kids in fucking cages. He just didn’t brag about it.
You voted for that, you morally bankrupt imbecile. You told the system that you wanted that.
Not just cages - solitary confinement
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Fascist apologia from libs, who could have seen that coming? If y’all really believed marxist leninists and fascists were the same you would have already resisted fascists like you would if y’all saw black people getting reparations or indigenous people getting their land back.
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I’m not interested in debate, if there were anything to be gained from a conversation with closet fascists we’d already be in Star Trek territory.
Didn’t you hear Schumer? The function of the Democratic Party is to sheepdog the left into supporting genocide. Democrats aren’t even trying acting as an opposition and he voted to keep Trump’s government open.
That’s the Democratic Party. Always had been.
With friends like these, who needs enemies?
Yeah. Blame it all one one single democrat again! It’s never anyone else’s fault but a single democrat!
A single democrat? It’s the whole fucking party! He’s their leader and he’s telling us what the party exists to do.
Yup and everything that’s going wrong with the world his Schumers fault because of it.
Find out next week which democrat Lemmy is going to pin everything on instead of banding together to defeat the actual problem!
It’s just His Turn to be in charge, he’s not special. If a different Democrat was the leader they’d behave the exact same way.
The machine operates the same no matter who pulls it’s levers. He just said the quiet part out loud.
As a complete aside (not referring to Democrats etc) I’m pretty sure pulling levers affects how a machine operates.
Voting machine levers not so much. [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Okay, but if I pull a lever it will do the same thing as if Chuck Shuemer pulled the lever.
To be clear, I guess this saying applies more to production machinery rather than more complex machines like cranes with a ton of different levers. The lever on a welding press does one thing and you can’t make it do something else by pulling the lever. A crane can do a ton of stuff because it has lots of levers that do different things - you can even break the machine just by pulling the levers wrong.
So, maybe the saying isn’t as pithy as I thought.
On reading your original comment I realised you are right. It doesn’t matter who pulls the lever.
I’m just being a bit oversensitive about dangerous operation of machinery.
Please, for you own sake, get a reading tutor. You seem to be having a lot of trouble with reading.
They’re saying Schumer is making the decisions for everyone, and if Schumer just changed his vote and made better decisions everything would have been better for the whole party. Is that not correct?
To quote her:
And her backing is because that’s what Schumer said!
To quote, since it was literally the first sentence of the rebuttle:
8 of them voted with Trump to get the finance bill passed.
Out of how many?
Including their leader who is still their leader so Democrats must approve of it.
Awesome. Keep throwing that argument out there instead of acknowledging that the party in power is proud they are forcibly detaining legal immigrants and boasting about getting more
Oh, and the president is using his executive powers to say it’s a national emergency what these legal immigrants were saying and doing so he’s allowed to deport them since we’re at war, so even if the government was to shut down the kidnappings would continue.
It definitely hasn’t been brought to attention that democrats aren’t perfect. Forget that if the government did shut down the democrats would be blamed for that too since people would die that way too and all yall want to do is blame the democrats
It is convenient when you can win discussions by ignoring arguments.
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Actually leftists are what exactly? What socialist theory describes these actual leftists that what, support the second most powerful capitalist political party in the world (Democrats)?
Yeah, I unfortunately didn’t check until waaay too late haha!
I’d say good luck, but the downvotes tell me that neither of us are in for a good time.
Yes, how terrible that your team didn’t get to keep being the ones doing the genocide.
You know it’s amazing how often you see these comments. One would think that the point had been made enough by now. It’s almost as if they’re being purposely reused over and over and over in some kind of effort to keep resistance to the rise a fascism disunified. Like some kind of astroturfing campaign almost, something surely we’ve not seen happen often in the last decade or so…
Nah. Imma keep spamming this as we continue this descent into hell :D
The utter lack of personal responsibility and reflection a lot of Americans have really makes me think you fuckers are never gonna have a Kollektivschuld moment. Jesus christ.
Incidentally, Kollektivschuld is a real dog’s breakfast. Guilt Pride: A German Vanity Project Conquering the World
Yes. Me trying to stop the man who’s CURRENTLY detaining LEGAL immigrants cause he openly said he was going to by wanting to vote in a flawed but immeasurably better and willing to be progressive candidate makes me the irresponsible one.DummkopfThis was out of line
Yeah i was actually agreeing with you. But knock yourself out
Ok well then I am sorry. I misunderstood and have been arguing so I didn’t switch it off.
Sorry and thank you
Edit: looking back, you didn’t have to include me in the “you fuckers” if you weren’t attacking me
You didn’t, huh? Guess we know who to blame for everything then!
Libs pretending that the genocide would have stopped under Harris is exhausting as fuck.
Or deportations or attacks on LGBTQ+ rights
Meanwhile Biden deported more people than any sitting president ever before, Harris’s biggest campaign promise was “the biggest and most lethal military in the world”, democrats are throwing LGBTQ+ folks under the bus right now and censuring THEIR OWN PEOPLE when they actually have the gall to do the slightest amount of fighting back. And that’s all on top of the ongoing genocide Biden funded and supplied and Harris was 100% committed to continuing and all establishment dems completely support. Both parties are rotten.
Harris would’ve been nothing but another twist to the right for the overton window, and we would inevitably have this exact same sort of fascist administration right after she left office. It would’ve been nothing but kicking the can down the road.
Accelerationism is fucking awful but frankly this current shitshow was inevitable without a complete overhaul of this system. Democrats are a far right forced opposition and nothing will change until we install a far left worker’s party and give all of these capitalist warhawks the boot.
I’m glad that some Americans are actually sane. Very few of you, but the few give me some hope.
At this point I’m just waiting for a refugee program abroad to open up so we can get the fuck out asap. I have zero hope in this country ever doing anything about this shit, even if the current regime is toppled. Until capitalism is a thing of the past, it’s always going to happen again.
I’d offer for you to come to Canada, I’d be down for a green card marriage but I’m already married.
LOL
Canada is probably gonna be the plan though honestly. Driving distance, easy on the dogs, minimal culture shock. Just gotta talk with the wife and start seriously planning it out. We slacked on getting our passports renewed last year though, big mistake. Playing it by ear right now - staying and fighting back just seems like a poor option right now while the empire is collapsing on itself.
Well I’m gonna tell you right now, here in Canada there’s zero guarantee that we won’t be embracing this shit show. A lot of people here right now are low key preparing for war with the US, and those that aren’t don’t really understand whats happening with our borders right now. I’m glad people want to come shooting with me now all of a sudden and are only buying Canadian shit with me now. I seem far less unhinged than I did ten years ago haha
Straight up genocide denial, honestly
we need to build up a tolerance to it because i doubt it’s going to end anytime soon.
Nah I’d rather tell them to go fuck themselves every time I see them do it.
it’s satisfying, but it accomplishes less nothing; it’s detrimental.
and here i am knowing this in theory, but also telling them to fuck off as well. lol
Yeah me too. It’s just that at this point I don’t care.