More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.

More efficient manufacturing, falling battery costs and intense competition are lowering sticker prices for battery-powered models to within striking distance of gasoline cars.

  • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
    8·
    5 months ago

    Need a source for these EV factories using slave labor.

    And by all means lets debate on the climate impact of these vehicles, what parts are you saying are a problem? While Americas been manufacturing more and more combustion trucks and SUVs, China has been leaving us in the green tech dust, ramping up renewable energy and EV production.

    • bigschnitz@lemmy.world
      7·
      5 months ago

      Google forced labour in China yourself, it isn’t my responsibility to provide resources to those choosing wilful ignorance or living under a rock when there’s masses of well documented human rights violations and masses of evidence documenting appallingly negligent mining and manufacturing practices.

      • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        5 months ago

        Yes, its your claim its your responsibility. Show me the forced labour at the BYD facilities producing the $11k Seagull im talking about. Show me their negligent manufacturing practices.

        • bigschnitz@lemmy.world
          3·
          5 months ago

          “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

          Weird how tankies and anti-semites use the same tricks to push their agenda.

            • bigschnitz@lemmy.world
              1·
              5 months ago

              You strawmanned about the BYD factory, which I never mentioned, clearly you’re engaging in bad faith. The use of ughur slave labour throughout the economy, or indentured workers at places like foxcon is better documented than the recent conviction of Donald Trump. I have no more reason to cite sources for this than a comment referencing the earth being round or Ukraine being at war.

              The only possible way to be ignorant of these facts is by choice. I don’t care if people who choose ignorance refute my claims, no evidence I could provide would change that anyway and again, it isn’t my responsibility to deprogram anyone.

              I am certainly not making scientific claims in an academic paper or publishing breaking news with an obligation to cite sources, I’m providing commentary on that which has already been well documented and in doing so, insinuating (very different from claiming, which you seem to have missed) that the Chinese state supports the use of what is, effectively, slave labour.

              • blazera@lemmy.worldEnglish
                2·
                5 months ago

                You strawmanned about the BYD factory, which I never mentioned,

                I mentioned it. BYD is by far Chinas most successful EV manufacturer, and when i mentioned China having new EVs for literally half the price of our used ones, im talking about their 11k Seagull. That is what we are talking about, thats what these tariffs are preventing from coming here. So these accusations of slave labor have to apply to them, or youre gonna need another argument for why they shouldnt be allowed to sell here. Its no strawman, its no metaphor.