He is a narcissist child who was given way too much power. He will continue to act out like the spoiled removed he is. He has never had to face consequence before so he will continue.
The silver lining is he hasn’t ever built up a tolerance for consequences in the course of his life. So a little should hopefully go a long way.
Yeah, but unfortunately with how charged everything is if he gets anything he will claim political persecution and try to be a martyr ( his campaign has claimed they already raised 55m since the conviction). It’s why I think he didn’t get really anything bad when he violated the gag order so much.
Yeah, but unfortunately with how charged everything is if he gets anything he will claim political persecution and try to be a martyr
He did that when he won.
Yeah, all the hand wringing about how he might twist anything punitive into a positive is moronic since Trump whines when he wins too.
I agree that’s his shtick but his base votes more with emotion and bad things are easier to sell to them than good things.
Yeah, but unfortunately with how charged everything is if he gets anything he will claim political persecution and try to be a martyr
He’s doing that now. He will do it if he is sentenced, and ALSO if he doesn’t get jail time. Appeasing him gets you exactly nothing.
( his campaign has claimed they already raised 55m since the conviction).
His campaign claims a lot of things, none of them true. It would be surprising if this turned out to be the first time they weren’t lying.
It’s why I think he didn’t get really anything bad when he violated the gag order so much.
I think the judge was going overboard to give every benefit of the doubt to Trump so there would be no basis for appeal. I hope that’s the case.
Yeah, but unfortunately with how charged everything is if he gets anything he will claim political persecution and try to be a martyr
Agreed 100% but to be fair, he’s already (been) doing that.
Why should merchan be lenient when the entire time the orange turd was hurling insults and the system, the judge, the judges family and the jurors while displaying a level of contempt, lack of decorum and respect for the institution, and an absolute lack of contrition?
Donald is a stochastic terrorist urging his Trumpanzee cult to threaten and harass jurors and court staff. He is a danger to society. Hopefully the judge now feels able to take that into account for sentencing, despite failing to take any of that into account during the violations of court orders.
He’s full of hot air. Anyone that follows him and does something stupid will fuck it up and end up in jail themselves. Giving him any sort of credence is the problem with the right. They think they seem badass. To most they seem like whiny little babies incapable of accomplishing simple goals other than being the little brother that refuses to eat their broccoli.
Paul Pelosi would like a word. We can’t keep giving these terrorists latitude while they practice how to get it right.
I would say that Pelosi is a perfect example of that. Because he’s in for 40 years. My point is we can’t be scared of their posturing. It’s just them trying to be intimidating.
Did you forget about the whole January 6th thing? It’ll be even easier to get them to do it a second time since they’re even more radicalized now.
No. I did not. But the only death from that was their own and all are being convicted for it. The process is working. It just takes time.
Jan 6 almost succeeded.
He needs to be moderate, not lenient. Trump’s legal team is looking for any and all reasons to win an appeal. Now is not the time to show bias.
With that being said, the judge determines sentencing partly on the character of the defendant. Trump’s behavior certainly won’t help him in that respect.
100% this is why I’m hoping for community service. Done in a very public facing way. Putting a near 80 year old on jail for a first time offense would show bias. However, him show contempt for the justice system and his instance of making a spectacle of the entire process should be a major consideration. Have him, legit, in a reflective vest picking up trash, would be considered a light sentence if you consider the range of punishments. It would definitely, attempt, to force some agenda of teaching humbleness. Hearing his complaints, or his supporters, saying that he’s too old for that type of work would take so much wind out of the sails out of old Joe narrative.
Maybe I’m just rationalizing for my popcorn motives though lol
I want to see him behind bars, but it would be almost as good to see him forced to do community service helping undocumented immigrants.
Why would you make the immigrants suffer his presence? They have it hard enough as it is. I prefer to think he’ll get to make some nice friends in prison.
He’d have to be kind to them otherwise he’d be held in contempt and thrown in jail.
The immigrants seeing him forced to be helpful and kind would probably be satisfying?
Me too, but he would simply refuse.
So prison it is then!
He could toss rolls of paper towels at them, he’s the best at that.
Nothing will happen to this entitled fuck, just like always.
Shhh, I have 6 more weeks of fantasizing!
If you turn it upside down you can probably get another six weeks after too.
“Judge Merchan could sentence Trump to probation, or up to four years on each criminal count with a maximum sentence of 20 years.”
Now some of you will insist this is a handslap, but 7 days per count to be served consecutively keeps him in jail on Jan 20, 2025. If he does get re-elected, he’ll be sworn in behind bars.
The judge could go easy on him for being a first-time felon. If the judge goes lenient, and gives him 7 days per count, but makes them consecutive sentences, not concurrent, that’s 7 * 34 or 238 days.
July 11, 2024, is the 193rd day of the year, according to https://www.epochconverter.com/days/2024 There are then 173 days left in 2024.
238 - 173 = 65.
The 65th day of 2025 would make his exit from prison on March 6th. If he is elected president, he will take the oath behind bars.
7 days per count vs. 4 years per count isn’t throwing the book at him. It is a lenient sentence.
I am not a lawyer, but this site https://doccs.ny.gov/community-supervision-handbook/serving-sentence indicates
All incarcerated individuals, except those serving Life sentences, have a conditional release date equal to … one-seventh (1/7) off their maximum sentence for determinate sentences. 1/7 is about 15%
If Trump only has to serve 85% for Good behavior, his sentence is lessened to 202.3 days With 173 days served in 2024, that leaves him 29 more days in 2025 to serve (Jan 29). If he is elected president, he would take the oath behind bars.
Could Trump appeal and get out? Potentially, but his legal team needs evidence of an issue with the case. Trump’s lawyers in the past have had issues with providing concrete evidence.
From the NPR story above, at least one attorney believes he had a fair trial. I suspect more agree.
Andrew Weissmann is an attorney and law professor at NYU, and was also a lead prosecutor in the Mueller investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election…
“Everyone needs to understand that as much as Donald Trump has denigrated the criminal justice system, he had a fair trial. He had a jury, a judge, eminent defense counsel. And at this point, he will have a sentencing happening on July 11th. And at that point, he is entitled to appeal,” Weissmann said.
“He can’t appeal now. He has to first get sentenced. And the sentencing is going to be quick. The actual appeal process can take many, many months.”
" In the New York Supreme Court Appellate Division for the Second Department, oral arguments are usually calendared for a date within 3-10 months following the submission of the last brief."
Source: https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/how-long-does-it-take-the-second-appellate-divisio-3381182.html If they have evidence, and get a quick response, 3 months = 90 days (or about October 9, 2024) and Trump could be out then, if they can prove something was wrong, which so far, I haven’t seen anything to appeal. But I am not a lawyer.
10 months, or about 300 days, which would put Trump out of jail by the time of his appeal.
I think 7 days per count served consecutively is the way to go.
I’d be more amenable to a lenient sentence if he wasn’t an unrepentant pathological liar and stochastic terrorist.
I don’t think most people think he would be imprisoned pending appeal, and his lawyers will easily drag out the appeal into 2025.
According to this site: https://law.justia.com/codes/new-york/2022/cpl/part-2/title-m/article-460/460-50/
- Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision one, if within one hundred twenty days after the issuance of such an order the appeal has not been brought to argument in or submitted to the intermediate appellate court, the operation of such order terminates and the defendant must surrender himself to the criminal court in which the judgment was entered in order that execution of the judgment be commenced or resumed; except that this subdivision does not apply where the intermediate appellate court has (a) extended the time for argument or submission of the appeal to a date beyond the specified period of one hundred twenty days, and (b) upon application of the defendant, expressly ordered that the operation of the order continue until the date of the determination of the appeal or some other designated future date or occurrence.
120 days after the issuance of the stay means 100 days before the end of the year. September 21, 2024 (Sat) Day 265. If he appeals, and a stay is issued between July 12 and September 21, would he not be in prison on Jan 20, 2025?
I don’t see him having any concrete way of winning an appeal. And if his lawyers just spew nonsense, I don’t foresee an extension being granted.
See that part where it says “except that this subdivision does not apply where the intermediate appellate court has (a) extended the time for argument or submission of the appeal…” ?
Courts postpone hearings and grant additional time for stuff a lot, and courts are particularly eager to give Trump far more leeway than anybody else.
From what I understand this kind of stuff is usually sentenced concurrently. Also, I would avoid any sentence that looks like it’s calculated to just prevent him from campaigning. That’s a political match you do not want to light. From that angle his sentence should either keep him in jail well past the election and swearing in or release him with a month or more to campaign. A 20 month sentence would be appropriate in the guidelines, and meet this political test. A sentence that sees him released very quickly or not get jail time at all after Cohen served time would be a miscarriage of justice.
Don’t dangle that in front of me you teases
In the article, the two interviewed experts who got the most paragraphs said there’s zero chance, making arguments based on precedent.
One interviewed expert said he expects multiple years in prison based on an emotional appeal.
We see which one got the headline though.
At worst Trump will get another stern talking to, as he always has.
And if he does get jail time you won’t reflect on this thinking
Yeah but nobody gets prison time for this as a first offender in NY, it’s not going to happen.
If the classified documents case had an actual judge running it, that’s the one that could lead directly to prison.
34 counts is a lot.
I hope he keeps at it, give the judge more reason to keep hitting him with the book
God forbid you have a misdemeanor and get 6 months in nyc.
90 days jail is my prediction. Stayed pending appeal which will push it past the election.
Trump won’t sit a day.
If he wins, he’d still go to jail
Maybe he’d just never go back to NY again lol
Insulting and defaming is the orange felon’s way of asserting power even while he is clearly down and out.
Of course. In the typical way of losing an argument so he threatens and yells instead. Can’t pound facts so he pounds the table instead. He has no other way of working.
Government won’t allow him to go to a prison. It would be a liability for nation security.
If he died in Jail by ‘any’ means. Even old age. It would martyr him for the crazies for years.
Foreign Entities would go crazy for the chance to Epstein him. It would de-stabilize the US for a decades, as no one would believe any facts and it would be conspiracy city.
He’ll get house arrest, and go full blown 24/7 removeding about it.
Government won’t allow him to go to a prison. It would be a liability for nation security.
In what way? He’s already bragged about and shown off countless classified documents, and potentially given or sold some of them to US adversaries. If he’s put in prison he’ll likely be put into protective custody for the safety of both him and his guards.
Foreign Entities would go crazy for the chance to Epstein him. It would de-stabilize the US for a decades
I find that extremely hard to believe. He’s a private citizen and now a convicted felon on top of that. He may have a small but rabid fan base, but even if he died under unusual circumstances it wouldn’t destabilize the US. The worst it might do is further fracture the GOP, but given what it’s turned into over the past decade I don’t see that as a bad thing.
Frankly, it’s up to one man. Not the “government”
Is it though?
How many GOP’s have just straight up refused congressional orders? No police showed up and dragged them to congress.
When Trump doesn’t show up for his prison sentence, what do you expect to happen?
New York police going to walk into Florida and stand toe to toe with Secret Service?
Would the NY police have authority to tell the Service to step aside?
I don’t know what will happen, and I expect Trump will push the limits.
Uh, no. That’s not going to happen. Why do some people think that the Secret Service is Trump’s private army? They work for Biden and the White House.
How do you think Trump was forced to attend court every day? He would rather be out golfing.
Actually, a couple people have served jail time for refusing congressional subpoenas over the past few years
And why would the secret service break the law? They are law enforcement.
It would be a trivial task to build a prison just for Trump.
Build a jail… or keep him in a house…
It would need to be a pretty secure and sturdy building so his cult can’t try to break him out.
Another option would be a military prison.
Would it be too optimistic for me hope for him to be sentenced to one day in jail, and 1 year house arrest?
