We’re paying $39k/year for a 3x2. There are full time jobs out there paying less than that. Yes, we’re in a nice location, but awful locations are not that much cheaper.
I am not surprised many people are doing it tough. The median salary in Australia is currently $80k. Take $16.5k for tax and you’re left with $63.5k take-home. Say you find a cheap house to rent at only $30k/ year ($575/week - doable for now, but you’re likely far from town).
Now your family is living on $33.5k for the year. Less than $650 a week for everything else. Food, transport, utilities, etc.
$80k was a good salary 10 years ago. I don’t know how you could raise a family on it, today. And half of Australia is making less than that!
and are generally classified as shit areas as a result.
But that’s subjective yeah ? I’m hear visiting my 83yr old mother on the Sunshine Coast over Christmas, this place is to me a literal “shit hole”. It’s mostly a sprawling mess of hot terrible housing with acres of concrete and asphalt with a car needed to do anything and zero redeeming qualities. For a few days prior I visited my sister in Brisbane, another sprawling mess of hot terrible housing with zero redeeming features.
I used to live in an apartment I owned on the 10th floor with an ocean view on the Gold Coast, cool beezes, a walk to swimmable broadwater and a tram and train were some compensation.
The tiny rural town in Tasmania I now live in to me is comparative nirvana. There are basic houses near me for sale starting with a 3 and quite nice ones starting with a 4. We have a little van, as for sure u need a car occasionally but we mostly walk or cycke. I filled it up in August and it’s still on 1/2 a tank.
In this release, ‘migrants’ refers to people who have arrived in Australia since January 2000, and includes permanent migrants who have become Australian citizens during this period.
Is that a peculiar way to be refered to. When is an Australian citizen not a migrant ?
Yeah that ‘average salary’ is lies damned lies and statistics
Only if you don’t understand the difference between
avergae (mean) and median. A kid working at Maccas twice a week can skew the diffeence as much as the repugnant wage paid to the Macquaire Bank CEO.
I admit that I was surprised that $80k was median salary - I just asked Google “Median Salary Australia” and didn’t follow the links etc. Your source is great, but three financial years old. Seek reckon the current median salary is $65k, though their ads probably skew a tad high. It isn’t enough of a difference from $58k to argue much over.
$58k or $65k (or even $80k), it doesn’t change the point I was making: It is not at all surprising that people are doing it tough.
oh I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just pointing out the disingenuousness of “average wages”. Stick musk and ten unemployed people in a room and the average person in there earns billions. We really need to kill that shit, it’s used to infer that people are doing it rough due to “poor choices” rather than we’re all middle class citizens absolutely taking it up the arse without lube
Yeah there are a couple of metrics. The main two are the median salary of all adults which includes a lot of people not in the workforce (zero wage) and then the median salary for anyone “employed” (working any hours) which would be higher.
Dunno what the latest number are but at a guess mid 50s looks like the total median and 80ish is the median of job holders
(.median is used because mean is skewed by outliers like billionaires. Median means half of the people measured are below and half above)
We’re paying $39k/year for a 3x2. There are full time jobs out there paying less than that. Yes, we’re in a nice location, but awful locations are not that much cheaper.
I am not surprised many people are doing it tough. The median salary in Australia is currently $80k. Take $16.5k for tax and you’re left with $63.5k take-home. Say you find a cheap house to rent at only $30k/ year ($575/week - doable for now, but you’re likely far from town).
Now your family is living on $33.5k for the year. Less than $650 a week for everything else. Food, transport, utilities, etc.
$80k was a good salary 10 years ago. I don’t know how you could raise a family on it, today. And half of Australia is making less than that!
You can do it, but:
Unfortunately all the left over places have shit job opportunities, shit services, and are generally classified as shit areas as a result.
So until you advance enough in a career that you can pull a tree change to somewhere less pricey and still keep your income, you’re screwed.
But that’s subjective yeah ? I’m hear visiting my 83yr old mother on the Sunshine Coast over Christmas, this place is to me a literal “shit hole”. It’s mostly a sprawling mess of hot terrible housing with acres of concrete and asphalt with a car needed to do anything and zero redeeming qualities. For a few days prior I visited my sister in Brisbane, another sprawling mess of hot terrible housing with zero redeeming features.
I used to live in an apartment I owned on the 10th floor with an ocean view on the Gold Coast, cool beezes, a walk to swimmable broadwater and a tram and train were some compensation.
The tiny rural town in Tasmania I now live in to me is comparative nirvana. There are basic houses near me for sale starting with a 3 and quite nice ones starting with a 4. We have a little van, as for sure u need a car occasionally but we mostly walk or cycke. I filled it up in August and it’s still on 1/2 a tank.
Yeah that ‘average salary’ is lies damned lies and statistics
The actual median personal income is around $58k
Is that a peculiar way to be refered to. When is an Australian citizen not a migrant ?
Only if you don’t understand the difference between avergae (mean) and median. A kid working at Maccas twice a week can skew the diffeence as much as the repugnant wage paid to the Macquaire Bank CEO.
When you break it down by region it makes a bit more sense but plenty of people are still doing it tough.
I admit that I was surprised that $80k was median salary - I just asked Google “Median Salary Australia” and didn’t follow the links etc. Your source is great, but three financial years old. Seek reckon the current median salary is $65k, though their ads probably skew a tad high. It isn’t enough of a difference from $58k to argue much over.
$58k or $65k (or even $80k), it doesn’t change the point I was making: It is not at all surprising that people are doing it tough.
oh I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just pointing out the disingenuousness of “average wages”. Stick musk and ten unemployed people in a room and the average person in there earns billions. We really need to kill that shit, it’s used to infer that people are doing it rough due to “poor choices” rather than we’re all middle class citizens absolutely taking it up the arse without lube
Yeah there are a couple of metrics. The main two are the median salary of all adults which includes a lot of people not in the workforce (zero wage) and then the median salary for anyone “employed” (working any hours) which would be higher.
Dunno what the latest number are but at a guess mid 50s looks like the total median and 80ish is the median of job holders
(.median is used because mean is skewed by outliers like billionaires. Median means half of the people measured are below and half above)
Average salary metrics are useless in an era of CEOs and executives getting paid millions a year.