• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    10 hours ago

    The only fine line she is trying to walk is keeping her pro-Palestine voters while doing everything Israel is asking of her.

    I’m curious what you think Israel is asking of the Vice President of the United States? What is it that you think the VP does?

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      No one is asking her to do anything as VP, this person is saying harris is committed to enabling israel’s genocide and has a history of supporting israel unconditionally. we want her to commit to upholding american laws around not supplying arms genocidal regimes as president; which israel categorically is currently. literally every organization that has investigated israeli conduct in Gaza and now Lebanon has come to the same conclusion. The UN, WHO, our own internal analysis.

      They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

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        They’ve gone way past self defense and managed to kill more of the hostages than hamas has.

        How many of the dead hostages would you say Hamas is responsible for?

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          I’d probably lay the majority at their feet. between turning the region into a war zone, starvation etc, the chances of them surviving the situation is close to zero. as far as wikipedia is concerned out of the 251 hostages

          • 117 were returned by hamas in a prisoner exchange.
          • 4 were released unilaterally by hamas.
          • 8 were rescued by IDF.
          • 34 bodies have been retrieved (likely dead due to the war zone)
          • 3 bodies returned through unspecified means.

          so frankly Israel’s track record here for ‘rescuing’ the hostages is pretty abysmal. and I can’t think of a worse way than to turn a region into a war zone to rescue them. so far it looks like hamas has been fairly willing to negotiate prisoner releases. who knows if thats still the case though. since you know we killed off the leader who was looking to get a peace deal. but I doubt many more are going to be returned alive after this. I feel for those families and its unfortunate their countries leadership is going to get most of them killed.

          but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter who killed those hostages. they’re dead and nothing will change that. all I know is turning the region into a blood bath didn’t help their chances.